Rangers need a little something

I have about 1400 hours in coh2 and, in my opinion, i think they need something that can make them a bit more potent at killing infantry. Since the last update with the zooks they have become a very potent anti tank unit but thats not how i play with rangers i really like the thompson upgrade but they just get shredded in most engagements due to focus fire and i think they could use a little... improvement when it comes to the thompson upgrade. i think if you choose to get it it should come with sprint when you buy the thompson upgrade. just like the assgrens, they should be able to sprint for a short amount of time so they can flank mgs a bit quicker and not get shredded as they slowly walk up to a wall of lead. i personally think they could use it to stay a bit more relevant late game with thompsons. compared to other units with cqb loadouts i feel like they are lackluster. they dont have anything but a grenade and rng. but i DONT think they should get sprint if they choose to become a anti tank unit, just with thompsons. i hope you consider this as something you would like to do, or something you think it is a good idea.

You do have smoke with Rangers, just not on the Rangers themselves. USF has a smoke mortar, smoke grenades on their engineers and officers and smoke on the majority of their vehicles.

Soviet doesn't, hence smoke grenades on the Shock Troops themselves.

Yes but most games i play are people who use multiple mgs it would make a faster way to get around them and flank

Yeah they have nothing but a nuke pineapple grenade, are durable and shred any opposition at closerange. You also get a sprint with smoke in the doctrine and combined arms I believe in another one if my memory serves me right

Rangers are fine if not even a bit too good

Ranger have so much outright close combat damage that this makes up for having no smoke. They lost their damage reduction but got some received accuracy bonus and got cheaper, thats fine. In addition they have 3 weapon slots and pick up a super bazooka instead of a bazooka. I do think they are a very strong unit if you combine them with smoke (mortar, offmap, echelons...). No change needed.

I was always amused by the description of the Rangers - specialists of precise sniper combat, without sniper guns. May be an M1C/D as an alternative for the Rangers would be nice. In general, the Rangers are units of close reconnaissance and sabotage, so they must be an analogue of the German Jaegers or Stormtroopers: they appear from a neutral building to have camouflage and diversion abilities. Because in the current state it is 5 people Paratrooper clones with the simultaneous possibility of having the Thompsons and Bazookas.

I was always amused by the description of the Rangers - specialists of precise sniper combat, without sniper guns. May be an M1C/D as an alternative for the Rangers would be nice. In general, the Rangers are units of close reconnaissance and sabotage, so they must be an analogue of the German Jaegers or Stormtroopers: they appear from a neutral building to have camouflage and diversion abilities. Because in the current state it is 5 people Paratrooper clones with the simultaneous possibility of having the Thompsons and Bazookas.

I've always thought they should spawn with a beefier Garand (maybe 10 damage and better accuracy at all ranges) compared to riflemen, and good enough that the thompson upgrade is a considerable sacrifice of long range dps.

As it is them spawning with carbines is silly, and even sillier since said carbines are identical to the paratrooper ones. The carbine itself is superior to the Garand for whatever reason, except at very long range.

But as far as rangers exist now idk about giving them any abilities. Maybe sprint would be nice. Other than that I think they're fine.

The lack of an ability besides their grenade is just weird. I don't think it's a balance issue though as I would argue that their 3rd weapon slot makes up for it. Triple elite zooks is just scary

They should get an ability with their Thompson's though. Maybe tactical assault but that's kinda boring to just copy it from tommy paras. Using the third weapon slot with tommys is too risky for dropping

They should spawn with M1 Garands and have two LMG M1919 upgrades.

some guy in this forum said "his ability is 4 thompson" "simple is best"

Stupid guys

I wouldn't mind a long range option for the rangers. Maybe a Johnson lmg or two would be neat.

Rangers are fine. They're easily some of the best infantry in the game.

What did you smoke man?

I wouldnt say rangers are bad, i wouldt expect more of them as they do now. They are premium riflemen. Not space marines.

American WW2 films are not a valid argument as a balance opinion.

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Result Vote and this moment Garand win for now

if i remember Reason is Loadout Change it Hard ?

and Garand Stats Should Better Than Normal garand like Obersoldaten Kar98k ?
edit I Find Mr Firesparks Answer About It

the carbine on the ranger are actually the same elite carbine used on the paratrooper. It's an elite carbine that's actually one of the best rifle in the game and better than the rifle garand in every way.

the ranger carbine have a dps profile of 1.8-9.9. That's around the same as the volks stg44's 1.9-8.0. 5 of them on a squad is amazing.

the rifleman garand have a dps profile of 1.67-6.76. It is strictly inferior to the elite carbine in.

switching the ranger to the rifleman garand is a straight nerf

is it misleading for an elite rifle to use the same visual model as the rear echelon carbine? yes, but the other choice is to just use the garand model.

interested that over 50% of the people vote for to switch the ranger to a garand, a straight nerf.

Or Carry BAR Stats better than normal bar like Commando Bren LMG ?

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They should spawn with M1 Garands and have two LMG M1919 upgrades.

Just use Paras lol?

Rangers description changed to paras with the lmg upgrade locked out

5 models w. 0.8ra = 6 models with 1 ra

They have the same carbines

They have the same Thompsons

Rangers description changed to paras with the lmg upgrade locked out

5 models w. 0.8ra = 6 models with 1 ra

I think 5 with .8 RA has more EHP than 6 models.

They don't need anything, the "problem" is that they are bland. But some would argue that there is beauty in simplicity.

I think their pop is too high. Should be lowered to 9, other than that they're decent.