So are they really nerfing the Churchill Tank?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 19:38 PMStug life

again with this meme, every ukf tank is good from stock, the centaur rapes infantry and LV, the ff has 200 damage 60 range and moving turret, Cromwell is a better Sherman without AI related ammo and moving accuracy, the comet is a mini tiger but it could use a vet 1 reload buff (and check if the main gun has a projectile), it already has very good pen and armor(both almost tiger lvl with only 10 less armor and 30 less pen at all ranges), 45 range and 800 hp, and obv almost as fast as the Cromwell (to the people who feel that the AI is alcking, it's just that the damage is shifted more to the mid range but has less one shoot potential ex.: the tiger does only 26 damage at mid range AOE while the comet does 64, both cromwell and churchil are similar, sacrificing one shoots for more consistant damage)

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 19:53 PMJibberJabberJobber

Not saying they're bad, but they're decent at best:

Centaur? Give me an Ostwind that's far faster so it can actually get away while having similar AI/AT.
Cromwell? Give me a P4 that can actually damage inf with its pintle, while having better combat stats.
Firefly? Give me a Jackson that has better rof and speed and is effective without being a muni sink.
Comet? Give me a Panther that has better AT and survivability and a pintle that also gives it better AI.
Churchill / Crocodile? Gimme dat.

Centaur can be given a pass because it has its merits, but I would not ever call the Cromwell, FF or Comet the best in their class (price/performance wise).

Also, about Comet vs Tiger AoE: compare AoE distance please. Show Spoiler

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 20:59 PMStug life

well centaur has 50 more armor and have 0 accuracy problem on the move for LV

they have about the same combat stats, with the Cromwell scarifying armor for speed and being better at mid and near range

ff is just as effective without muni sink, it has 200 damage not 160, for medium tanks is not that much unless us use any snare as at that point it becomes a 3 shoot unit (isntaed of 4) but from panther and bigger is around 1-2 less shoot needed to kill a tank

panther has lower armor for more hp, that's it, the pen is - 50 at all ranges but it still hit infantry, tho it comes with 45 range instead of 50 (but is fair cause it's only for at), btw the better ai is a meme it will beat panther AI in all but open road where infantry models are 4 meters from each other (an unlikely scenario these days)

well u are right, that's why u play 230 fu for tiger and is doctrinal, did u expect to be worse or the same as comet ??

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 22:03 PMHannibal

FF has 160 up to vet 3, then it has 200 damage. So a medium tank will still be 4 shots, but at vet 3 you gain the possibility to kill the enemy with a snare. "3 shotting" is only possible if you upgrade with Tulips, then you need two shots and both tulips to hit.

I think the "Comet has bad AI" stems from its unreliability. When it hits, it can hit quite big and wipe 2 models with ease. But from my game experiences it misses very often and hits nothing at all, which is very frustrating for a not very cheap tank. To be honest, these are ingame observations, I don't have the scatter and AOE values at hand at the moment.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 19:53 PMJibberJabberJobber

Not saying they're bad, but they're decent at best:

Centaur? Give me an Ostwind that's far faster so it can actually get away while having similar AI/AT.
Cromwell? Give me a P4 that can actually damage inf with its pintle, while having better combat stats.
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Comet? Give me a Panther that has better AT and survivability and a pintle that also gives it better AI.
Churchill / Crocodile? Gimme dat.
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Firefly? Give me a Jackson that has better rof and speed and is effective without being a muni sink.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 22:15 PMdistrofio

we both agree on that

As a foreword, i apologize for going straight to the point, don't take it personally.

Play Axis then. You seek the wrong unit role or performance.

We all know Jacksons are OP

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 22:15 PMdistrofio

Play Axis then. You seek the wrong unit role or performance.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2019, 12:17 PMullumulu

i dont get why some ppl think here the church has a crap gun. Its actually not that bad...it can penetrate most mediums easily and have good chance to penetrate the heavys in close and midrange...very good AI....and dont forget its fast reload...so its ok to not penetrate every shot.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2019, 14:55 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

Crap gun is a comparison.

Compared to any other heavy tank, the gun IS garbage. A tiger, pershing or IS-2 blow it out of the water.

Which they should, given they cost more.

But for its fuel cost, the firepower of the Churchill is poor. It doesn't bring any more gun than the cromwell. With unlocks accounted for you can almost get two cromwells for one churchill, which would do a lot more damage.

The firepower is crap... for how much you pay to get one.

But its a danage sponge, so that's fine.

People bring it up because the poor gun stats for its cost are what offsets its high hp pool.

But to be fair, a StuGIII can pen the Churchill with 70% chance at range 50, they both need on average 13 shots to kill each other. So StuGs and also JP4s are very decent counters if you're able to set up an elastic defense.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2019, 15:01 PMKatitof

Because the gun is crap for that kind of price point compared to literally any other vehicle of generalist role that isn't stock med? The cost is balanced because of durability, the gun would be unacceptably bad if not for durability.

Also, that "fast reload" is very standard tank reload. Literally nothing exceptional compared to any med or premium med tank.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2019, 06:01 AMullumulu

The church can deal with every medium tank and even panthers have problem in a head on head dog fight.

than lets not forget the smoke, the grenades, the KT healthpool, the p4 armor, the sides MGs, the enormous advantage together with ANY allies TD....it wipes easily squads, has enough armor and Hp for sooaking up heavy dmg and even can deal with tank by itsself...and its cheaper than a panther

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2019, 23:24 PMStug life

??? the stug needs 4 shoot to die and only has 140 armor the Churchill has 1400 hp that's 9 shoots and only if they all pen

btw it's not that vulnerable to snare thanks to its vet 3 and having such an absurd Health pool as the tank need be below 75% of it's health to get snared so 1050 (2 shells are need to pen before u can snare it)