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Have you ever used panzerwerfer?
Pack howi is supposed to fill that role of pwerfer you know.
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I'm at a loss for words.. the ignorance.
Let's for one moment pretend your hallucination is correct why does a pak howitzer auto fire then? a panzerwerfer needs to be in relatively close range to squad wipe and is timed manual fire only.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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I'm at a loss for words.. the ignorance.
Let's for one moment pretend your hallucination is correct why does a pak howitzer auto fire then? a panzerwerfer needs to be in relatively close range to squad wipe and is timed manual fire only.
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Just stop blobbing your grens up, jesus. OST has all these new toys and a far higher win rate than USF but still there's complaint after complaint about literally every single USF indirect fire unit other than the PoS Priest. Just move your units out of the way, spread them out. Pack howi range is pathetic, and you have all these flares and sight abilities and infiltration units you can use to hard counter it. If it's late game, a single P4 shell will decrew a pack howitzer. Early game, he shouldn't have MGs unless he sunk fuel into the AAHT, so just overrun it with infantry. Hell, the OST mortar can probably even murder it.
Panzer tactician is no different than a skill shot. Hardly a "Free" get out of jail card.
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While pak and scott aim to be a sniper of sort, but imo they are performing much better pound for pound.
Sniper needs much micro, die easier and you counter snipe. It is heavy investment, high risk high reward.
You cannot say that for pak and scott. Which i believe the lack of hard counter is the problem, especially for Wehr. Both Usf arty are hands-off auto fire with great accuracy and damages, against 4 man wehr and their needs to stay still.
Im thinking Pak profile can be like land mattress, can be destroyed by vehicle. Remember land mattress was QoL bad even though it cannot retreat and have reload times?
Scott definitely needs resources to go up. Too cheap for its performance. Pwafer dies easily to a rushing T34. Scott is too 'cheap' too durable to gain veterancy.
Im not a Usf player, but when i play 2v2 using usf, more of my units are vetted than wehr, enjoying those sweet usf vet bonus.
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I think Panzer IVs, Ostwinds, Luchs, and Pumas hard counter M8 Scotts and lame Pack Howitzers pretty well.
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Imo Puma is the likeliest counter because of 60 range. Even then it needs 4 shot, the same number as Jackson vs P4...but P4 target size is much easier.
Scott is just so fast and small , P4 is going to miss if you dive it, and expose itself to TD, AT.
Ostwind and Luch do less damage. If Usf want to switch scott for pwafer, then Ost and Luch will have a good day.
Scott is simply too cheap for its performance.
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a panzerwerfer needs to be in relatively close range to squad wipe and is timed manual fire only.
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For the love of god please fix the M1 pack howitzer "overperforming" is an understatement the unit as absolutely broken.
Its accuracy is way too high along with a ridiculous AOE and damage profile. 2 M1 paks will squad wipe everything with zero input from the player building it.
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And the US has nothing like the werfer stock, so they get things like the pak howy instead. They don't have abrumbarr so they get the Scott.
Unless of course you think the calliope should be stock instead? We can have that conversation, your call
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In same time OKW can turtle like brits or be agresive like USF #balanced
USF currently can turtle up nearly as good as Ostheer
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