Super AT Guns

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 14:53 PMVipper

The idea here is that cost is divided between the emplacement itself and the crew.

That allows unit preservation and better pricing.

For instance if the crew could abandoned the weapon and survive bombardments one could increase XP value and price for the package but lower the price for building the structure only.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 16:58 PMmurky depths

They absolutely should not be self-spotting, that would give you an incredible map-hack ability that would put the old t-70 at vet-3 to shame.

I think they're fine to frustrating, particularly due to the "can shoot through obstacles" issue.

I'd rather see the pak43 be turned into an actual emplacement and no longer be able to shoot through obstacles, with a timed ability like the 17 pounder.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 16:25 PMMaret

Idea with decrewable emplacement sounds nice, it will be good if all howitzers also have this option, to have chance save some part of they cost in face of offmap strike.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 13:08 PMKatitof

Why would they need any overhauls?

There is no point in fixing if there is nothing to fix.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2019, 19:08 PMmurky depths

The lack of self-spotting is absolutely critical to not allow for an overwhelming pressure a single large AT gun to be put in.

If you want to argue for some flare ability or some timed thing, sure go for it, but the idea that we should set their view range to = their current attack range is absolutely a no-go.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2019, 04:45 AMdistrofio

I woulndt consider something "never used" as "nothing to fix"

To OP:
I would make them like normal ATGs, maybe slower but definitely mobile.
If it were possible to implement a tow mechanic i would definitely add it, using HT to move super ATGs.

I would also remove it from OST and give it exclusively to OKW, and make it stock (?, they fit better their style.

A lot of balance should be done afterwards.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2019, 04:53 AMLoopDloop

+1

Don't pounders actually already have a flare ability tho? I forget since I almost never use them.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2019, 13:25 PMGrim

Make the Pak43 an emplacement like the 17pdr and remove its ability to shoot through buildings.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2019, 18:18 PMSkysTheLimit

I think both should be able to fire through buildings. Just not auto-target/track or whatever the right word is. You should be able to attack ground through just about anything with the super AT guns IMO

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2019, 18:36 PMLoopDloop

+1

Otherwise they're not super useful and aren't really worth making over other AT options, but at least it'd take micro to use.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2019, 19:10 PMLago

What if you removing firing through blockers entirely, but increased their range to 120? (+50%)

It'd then be about giving them the biggest sight lines possible rather than literally building them behind houses.

Their brittleness also wouldn't matter as much with ranges like that. You could make them both decrewable no-brace units like the Pak 43 is now.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2019, 19:37 PMDoomlord52

120 range would mean locking down 'lane' maps like Redball express entirely, and from ranges that even mortars couldn't hit.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2019, 19:42 PMLago

Only the open spaces. Even Red Ball has blockers.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2019, 19:51 PMSkysTheLimit

How about 2v2 example like Rails and Metal or Minsk Pocket. On both of those would be way too strong IMO. I feel like you'd have to reduce damage or make the cone narrower so it needs to be re-positioned very often