Ostwind's penetrations

And now here is a video I just recorded of two Ostwinds doing almost nothing to a T-34, while moving, across half the map. Hope you can handle this.

Off topic, how does one get that testmap?

My point was is that Ostwind is anti-everything.

Is it anti heavy tank? Then it isnt anti-everything.

Are you saying that its anti medium tank? How does the ost's performance against the weakest and cheapest medium in the game, means it beats every other medium too?

And arnt they the same price? Why shouldnt they be about equivalent?

Is it anti heavy tank? Then it isnt anti-everything.

Are you saying that its anti medium tank? How does the ost's performance against the weakest and cheapest medium in the game, means it beats every other medium too?

And arnt they the same price? Why shouldnt they be about equivalent?

Because all (allied) mediums have pretty much same armor (150-160) and same amount of HP, it could've been cromwell or sherman

And again my point is - Ostwind performance is outlandish for it's cost and timing, especially against Soviets that do no have zooks or piats to try and ambush it, what happened to T-34 is just side effect JLI style overbuff to Ostwinds ROF. What was the point of nerfing Brummbar only to introduce current Ostwind later on?

Off topic, how does one get that testmap?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=703184792

Because all (allied) mediums have pretty much same armor (150-160) and same amount of HP, it could've been cromwell or sherman

And again my point is - Ostwind performance is outlandish for it's cost and timing, especially against Soviets that do no have zooks or piats to try and ambush it, what happened to T-34 is just side effect JLI style overbuff to Ostwinds ROF. What was the point of nerfing Brummbar only to introduce current Ostwind later on?

It arrives generally when Soviet T4 goes up unless we’re talking pure tech skipping from Ostheer. Force it to move with AT and you’ll be fine. Even the Su76 which is vulnerable unlike proper tanks to the Ostwind can zone it out through range.

Evidence has been presented so why keep covering your ears and eyes. If you are afraid for infantry, spread out to avoid AOE vs clumping or get into heavy cover or find things to absorb shots until support arrives.

Yeah it arives usually after T4 goes up but you dont have enough time/fuel for SU-85 so you're forced into deadweight medium - T-34 which has no scaling in team games OR you have to stay on T3 and get SU-76 which has no scaling in large teamgames either and does not even work on city maps as it's turretless compared to puma which can easily zone Centaur
Trying to fight it off with PTRS is pure memery - you either lose squads on retreat or get bled to death

You're basically forced into picking bad vehicles with no scaling as SU just to stop Ostwind. Thats not the same as getting P4 or Puma to stop Centaur, those vehicles are not a deadweight

If the TD stops the Ostwind from maurading it isn't dead weight.... What's more is it will still damage mediums and still has a barrage. The su76 is likley the LEAST dead weight TD in the game due to that barrage...

If the TD stops the Ostwind from maurading it isn't dead weight.... What's more is it will still damage mediums and still has a barrage. The su76 is likley the LEAST dead weight TD in the game due to that barrage...

It's useless on half of the maps due to mere fact it's turretless. Try winning a direct engagement with 400hp/70 armor

It's useless on half of the maps due to mere fact it's turretless. Try winning a direct engagement with 400hp/70 armor

It's cheaper than a vast majority of the targets it shoots, (including ostwind) it does plenty well for it's cost.

it's amazing how this community is hell bent on ruining this game

for those talking about the centaur can you imagine if it had the speed of an ostwind?

the reason the ostwind wasn't popular wasn't because it was ineffective, it was solely because the panzer was extremely effective against infantry but also a very good medium tank.. the balance team of the past understood this and that is why it wasn't "fixed", but unfortunately this "balance" team completely confused unfavoured with underpowered, ridiculous

so now you have a panzer that still retains it AI and the buffed ostwind that can now support the AT capabilities of the panzer

if the ostwind is going to be a so exceptional at AI plus have the benefit of doing significant damage against tanks then fine but that has to mean the panzer will need to have a significant AI nerf

in reality the ACTUAL balance fix here would of been to nerf the AI of the panzer and slightly buff the ozwinds moving accuracy therefore giving an actual roll to the ostwind.. in truth the ostwind was always effective if people bothered to actually learn how to use it but why bother with it when you can get one of the best medium tanks instead which was still effective against infantry

balance my ass

as for the puma dying to a centaur thats a armored car, not a tank.. jesus christ!

It's useless on half of the maps due to mere fact it's turretless. Try winning a direct engagement with 400hp/70 armor

It still outrages it by a long shot. It can be fielded as a deterrent and WILL fuck it up with the slightest bit of support. I say again, if it stops a marauding Ostwind then it isn't useless. Put some AT penals nearby and nothing will even consider diving for it. Or better yet, hide them nearby and WAIT for the dive. The meta has shaken. Try something new. Like tactics and strategy. Use "useless units" that were built purposefully for these new threats that had no place in meta... Zooks and piats are back on the menu as well now.

it's amazing how this community is hell bent on ruining this game

for those talking about the centaur can you imagine if it had the speed of an ostwind?

the reason the ostwind wasn't popular wasn't because it was ineffective, it was solely because the panzer was extremely effective against infantry but also a very good medium tank.. the balance team of the past understood this and that is why it wasn't "fixed", but unfortunately this "balance" team completely confused unfavoured with underpowered, ridiculous

so now you have a panzer that still retains it AI and the buffed ostwind that can now support the AT capabilities of the panzer

if the ostwind is going to be a so exceptional at AI plus have the benefit of doing significant damage against tanks then fine but that has to mean the panzer will need to have a significant AI nerf

in reality the ACTUAL balance fix here would of been to nerf the AI of the panzer and slightly buff the ozwinds moving accuracy therefore giving an actual roll to the ostwind.. in truth the ostwind was always effective if people bothered to actually learn how to use it but why bother with it when you can get one of the best medium tanks instead which was still effective against infantry

balance my ass

Absolute rubbish. The Ostwind was a total meme because it absolutely useless. As for the OST Pz4 being good against infantry, lololol. It was passable, at best.

it's amazing how this community is hell bent on ruining this game

No one is forcing you to play it. It seems that 'Uninstall' is your best friend now.

for those talking about the centaur can you imagine if it had the speed of an ostwind?

Nerf ostw speed. Voila!
Ostw is not a meme anymore, its speed is paired with its performance.

the reason the ostwind wasn't popular wasn't because it was ineffective, it was solely because the panzer was extremely effective against infantry but also a very good medium tank.. the balance team of the past understood this and that is why it wasn't "fixed", but unfortunately this "balance" team completely confused unfavoured with underpowered, ridiculous

Well, no. Sincerely speaking, opinions and stats are two very different things. Pz4s are good but not 'extremely' effective against infantry. A couple of rifle zooks can drive it off, but its usually a bad trade since tanks can be repaired for no cost, infantry must pay their new recuits.

Dont be disrespectful to the balance team if you dont understand the current meta and the ongoing patches. Its your fault not being well informed and the best way to solve it is asking and listening.

so now you have a panzer that still retains it AI and the buffed ostwind that can now support the AT capabilities of the panzer

if the ostwind is going to be a so exceptional at AI plus have the benefit of doing significant damage against tanks then fine but that has to mean the panzer will need to have a significant AI nerf


in reality the ACTUAL balance fix here would of been to nerf the AI of the panzer and slightly buff the ozwinds moving accuracy therefore giving an actual roll to the ostwind..

Again, what are your reasons to demand such a nerf? Pz4 are all arounder tanks in a midgame full of various kind of units. From ATG to Light tanks. Its biggest strenght is not having particular downsides, it still cant dominate a game because lategame allied AT tools can deal with it.

Ostwinds were underperforming beyond their intended role, their same tier units and the faction units. That is why it was buffed, Pz4 are not displacing Ostw, Stugs obviously not either. Its sole role was a mobile AA platform for teamgames and it was lame at it. Expensive, uneffective in a faction that needed a buff. No more explanation needed.

If you are having a hard time against OST then say so, people here will provide as much support as they
can.

in truth the ostwind was always effective if people bothered to actually learn how to use it but why bother with it when you can get one of the best medium tanks instead which was still effective against infantry

It wasnt. Check actual gameplay of it to figure it out. Even when a ostwind could see some action, its opportunity window was too small, a T70 was able to displace it without trouble. Even when Pz4 are a good option, OST lacks of a light tank and a good AI tank. If you cant understand that is simply because you dont play OST at all.

it's amazing how this community is hell bent on ruining this game

for those talking about the centaur can you imagine if it had the speed of an ostwind?

the reason the ostwind wasn't popular wasn't because it was ineffective, it was solely because the panzer was extremely effective against infantry but also a very good medium tank.. the balance team of the past understood this and that is why it wasn't "fixed", but unfortunately this "balance" team completely confused unfavoured with underpowered, ridiculous

so now you have a panzer that still retains it AI and the buffed ostwind that can now support the AT capabilities of the panzer

if the ostwind is going to be a so exceptional at AI plus have the benefit of doing significant damage against tanks then fine but that has to mean the panzer will need to have a significant AI nerf

in reality the ACTUAL balance fix here would of been to nerf the AI of the panzer and slightly buff the ozwinds moving accuracy therefore giving an actual roll to the ostwind.. in truth the ostwind was always effective if people bothered to actually learn how to use it but why bother with it when you can get one of the best medium tanks instead which was still effective against infantry

balance my ass

The Panzer 4’s main gun is worse vs infantry compared to al allied mediums because it only damages some of the enemy squad models (Damage all in hold: False, coh2.db), but the Pintle MG makes up for this.

On the topic of the Ostwind, imagine this. FOR ONLY 20 MORE FUEL, USF GET THE SERMAN, WHICH CAN 1V1 PANZER 4s AND HAS THE SAME AI CAPABILITY AS THE OSTWIND. WOW

The Panzer 4’s main gun is worse vs infantry compared to al allied mediums because it only damages some of the enemy squad models (Damage all in hold: False, coh2.db), but the Pintle MG makes up for this.

On the topic of the Ostwind, imagine this. FOR ONLY 20 MORE FUEL, USF GET THE SERMAN, WHICH CAN 1V1 PANZER 4s AND HAS THE SAME AI CAPABILITY AS THE OSTWIND. WOW

xD you are right.

It seems most people are salty because they now have to play with brain and their enemie's units can manage blobbs and bad played mediums. You can even kill T34 with 222 with micro and luck.

Also, T34/76 ONE hull-mg makes same damage as all 3x mgs of Panzer4 together. Nobody cares that T34 AI stats are OP.

Also, T34/76 ONE hull-mg makes less then half the damage as all 3x mgs of Panzer4 together. Nobody cares that T34 AI stats are OP.

Fixed to avoid purposeful stupidity.

(stats are literally for everyone to check instantly, why the need to blatantly lie?)

Fixed to avoid purposeful stupidity.

More than normal P4, less than upgraded P4. So or so, too much DPS for T34/76's ONE hull-MG, making it to one of the best AI vehicles, because of the sniping effect. (all DPS on one squad-member, if killing e.g. one PaK crew-member the PaK is disabled to shoot -> P4 shoots at multible targets, reducing that effect)

1) You forgot about pintle MG
2) If turret can't move, you'll never get even remotely accurate results due to narrow cone
3) T34 MGs have lower DPS then all P4 MGs