Ostwind's penetrations

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:50 PMKirrik

I pointed out it's ridiculous for it's timing and cost and outright game ending if you and your teammates dont prepare Ostwind rush right now. And thats a tier 3 same fuel cost as single T-34.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:59 PMSander93

Timing:
Ostwind 40 + 90 + 15 - 20 = 125FU when rushed
Cost: 90FU

Centaur 30 + 115 - 20 = 125FU when rushed
Cost: 100FU


Performance: roughly equal TTK as the Centaur in several scenarios (disregarding representability of number of tests because I can't be bothered to do more)


If you think the Ostwind's AI is 'ridiculous', the Centaur has been ridiculous for years now.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:02 PMKirrik

Yeah and you'll have to forego bolster and brens, leaving you with 4-man bren-less tommies. Thats a lot of sacrifices for rushing Centaur, that cant be said about rushing tier 3 with ost.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:03 PMStug life

yea no green only mgs and pz green ....... are u for real man ?

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:05 PMKirrik

Grens have faust and LMG's while Pgrens have Schrecks. You are completely exposing yourself as brit without bolster or weapons, you dont lose anything if you go T1+schrecks into T3 as Ost

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:08 PMStug life

.......... are u for real, u know building tier 1 cost fuel ? that's need to be added to the calculations, what he poster is literally tier 0 to tier 3 so 125 fu same as brits

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:56 PMKirrik

It's only the matter of time before people start abusing/spamming Ostwind same way they did JLI, then we'll see whether or not I was right about it

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:09 PMKirrik

Woah, if you add T1 suddenly costs are so high it's much higher than Brits with bolster and weapons racks?
/sarcasm

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:34 PMKirrik

They attack fast enough that even if T-34 pens them every shot (which is not even guaranteed) Ostwinds are the ones who usually win, one of them standing alive

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:10 PMStug life

no u can get rack, why is bolster obligatory now ?
btw it's u who said rush ostwind

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:16 PMKirrik

I'm not the one who suggested you should skip T1 while doing so
In any case It's quite clear people are defending it same JLI and Overwatch are being defended even though it's obviously overbuffed. I made my case here - it's too easy to rush and it's wayyyy to powerful for it's cost and timing

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:16 PMKirrik

Yeah and you'll have to forego bolster and brens, leaving you with 4-man bren-less tommies and engineers without PIATS. Thats a lot of sacrifices for rushing Centaur, that cant be said about rushing tier 3 with ost.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:16 PMKirrik

I'm not the one who suggested you should skip T1 while doing so
In any case It's quite clear people are defending it same way JLI and Overwatch were being defended even though it's obviously overbuffed. I made my case here - it's too easy to rush and it's wayyyy too powerful for it's cost and timing

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:27 PMthedarkarmadillo

Iirc (it appears my memory might be wrong on these things) the Ostwind onlu has like 140 front armour so infantry AT would actually work fairly well against the Ostwind. Sure it mulches infantry now but with it only being able to damage 2 models a shot it won't get out unscathed.
It's just shaken the meta is all. Thrre is no reason the allies player can have appropriate counters in place for when the Ostwind hits. It's an overgrown luchs really and the same counters will work.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:23 PMStug life

ur are just biased as always, it comes at the same time as centaur ur argument was that brits rushing centaur was weaker than ost rush cause u are so ignorant an biased u didn't even count tier 1 and 2 for the cost and was saying that ost RUSHING and SKIPPING tier 1 and 2 leaving them only with mgs pioneer and Pgren was stronger than brits rushing even tho they get x 2 the units

if u lost to ostwind and came here crying go play ost and show us how op they are

did u even play ost once in ur life to not know tier 1 and 2 cost fuel ?

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 12:55 PMKirrik

Because Soviets are faction that fights against Axis? Try using your brain for a second, Ostwind and T-34 have similar timings and one of them is thermonuclear wipe machine that can destroy infantry/planes/LV's and even tanks when massed while other struggles against pretty much everything it encounters even though it's tier higher.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:31 PMKiwiBirb

180 fuel of units wins against 90 fuel of units! WOW!

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:27 PMKirrik

Now try that test on an actual map with buildings and forest, that T-34 would start spinning in circles after first couple of seconds allowing Ostwinds to bumrush it , assuming they wont just flank it in first place

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 17:31 PMKirrik

Grenadiers dont need any fuel costing upgrades to work as mainline. Pgrens with schrek could easily cover lack of AT gun before you get to T3, you're not leaving yourself vulnerable to LV rushes while going to Ostwind. You absolutely do if you try to do this as brit. Very kind of you miss my point entirely and let me repeat again - I never suggested skipping T1