Ostwind's penetrations

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 15:57 PMKirrik

Missing the obvious point again? Re-read this: cooldown between shots is now basically half of what it was before, magazine size was increased from 5 to 7. Do you even understand sheer magnitude of these buffs?

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:01 PMSkysTheLimit

Are you missing the title of this thread? Its about Ostwind vs. Vehicles. The buffs were very strong against infantry, but against tanks a 23% chance of penetrating the weakest medium in the game is not "strong". If you think it is, I dont know what to tell you. That means it fails to pen 3/4 shots regularly, shots which only do 40 damage to begin with....

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:05 PMKirrik

Did you miss the very first video where 2 Ostwinds wreck T-34 without casualties? You think thats perfectly normal?

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 12:04 PMSander93

this test is not very representative because the units are stationary.

Compared to the T-34, the Ostwind suffers from worse accuracy on the move.

If the T-34 pulls back and the Ostwinds chase (which is the realistic scenario), the Ostwinds' DPM will drop more drastically than the T-34's and the T34 will actually win quite easily from what I can tell.

If you set up a scenario with the T-34 going backwards and the two Ostwinds chasing, you'll notice they'll barely do any damage to it.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 11:16 AMLago

It's Lanchester's Law. The smaller force takes disproprotionate losses.

If you fight four squads with two squads, you won't trade evenly. You'll lose both and they'll lose one.

It's why blobbing is so effective.

Your test is equivalent to throwing four Ostwinds at the T-34 in succession.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:12 PMSkysTheLimit

Nope, I just agree with these posts. Also it was 180 fuel vs 90, I really dont think its the end of the world:





How about instead of giving me attitude about what you think I've missed, you just explain your point of view without being rude

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:15 PMStug life

but if centuar beats ost shouldn't by kir logic be not only a thermonuclear bomb but a black hole bomb ?

i guess ignoring everything other say and only pushing ur point through is ur only way

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:18 PMKirrik

These posts imply T-34 should be used to kite 2 Ostwinds, thats an absurd suggestion which in many cases impossible if you're defending side, leaving Ostwinds to shred infantry in seconds while schreckblob or even simple Grenadiers could move forward and threaten with snare not allowing T-34 to re-engage in first place. Here's the bottom line: Two Ostwind killing a medium tank without taking casualties is ridiculous and it shows how overbuffed Ostwind is. Just like JLI it became brain-dead A-move unit that counter units that supposed to counter them.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:05 PMKirrik

Did you miss the very first video where 2 Ostwinds wreck T-34 without casualties?

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:18 PMKirrik

Two Ostwind killing a medium tank without taking casualties is ridiculous and it shows how overbuffed Ostwind is.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:24 PMSander93

And now here is a video I just recorded of two Ostwinds doing almost nothing to a T-34, while moving, across half the map. Hope you can handle this.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:18 PMKirrik

Two Ostwind killing a medium tank without taking casualties is ridiculous and it shows how overbuffed Ostwind is.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:24 PMSander93

And now here is a video I just recorded of two Ostwinds doing almost nothing to a T-34, while moving, across half the map. Hope you can handle this.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:24 PMSander93

And now here is a video I just recorded of two Ostwinds doing almost nothing to a T-34, while moving, across half the map. Hope you can handle this.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:27 PMKirrik

Now try that test on an actual map with buildings and forest, that T-34 would start spinning in circles after first couple of seconds

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:30 PMLago

You don't need to move them. The Ostwinds usually lose even when stationary.

They can win, but they have to be super lucky on the penetration rolls.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:27 PMKirrik

Now try that test on an actual map with buildings and forest, that T-34 would start spinning in circles after first couple of seconds allowing Ostwinds to bumrush it , assuming they wont just flank it in first place

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:35 PMSander93

ok here is video in forest area

Jump back to quoted post22 Jun 2019, 16:38 PMStug life

u forgot to put mines, anti tank trap , etc