Ostwind's penetrations
22 Jun 2019, 10:21 AM
#1
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What the hell is this sh1t?
Completely OP
22 Jun 2019, 10:31 AM
#2
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Thats is what balance looks like according to balance team
22 Jun 2019, 11:16 AM
#3
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What the hell is this sh1t?
It's Lanchester's Law. The smaller force takes disproprotionate losses.
If you fight four squads with two squads, you won't trade evenly. You'll lose both and they'll lose one.
It's why blobbing is so effective.
Your test is equivalent to throwing four Ostwinds at the T-34 in succession.
22 Jun 2019, 11:22 AM
#4
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It's Lanchester's Law. The smaller force takes disproprotionate losses.
If you fight four squads with two squads, you won't trade evenly. You'll lose both and they'll lose one.
It's why blobbing is so effective.
Your test is equivalent to throwing four Ostwinds at the T-34 in succession.
Almost everyone know's Lanchester's Law.
Point of this thread was "ostwind's penetrations".
Is it the right balance that Ostwind penetrates so well from the front?
Is AA means Anti-All?
ps : And according to Lanchester's law, two Ostevints must be destroyed at the same time as the T-34/76, in order for Ostwint to have a quarter of effectiveness. In this case, according to the Law of Lancaster, both of them survived, so they are about half the effectiveness
22 Jun 2019, 11:25 AM
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Almost everyone know's Lanchester's Law.
Point of this thread was "ostwind's penetrations".
Is it the right balance that Ostwind penetrates so well from the front?
I wouldn't call 27% a good chance to penetrate.
In this case, according to the Law of Lancaster, both of them survived, so they are about half the effectiveness
Which doesn't sound overpowered at all when you consider they cost about the same.
The T-34 has better AT, the Ostwind has better AI.
22 Jun 2019, 11:43 AM
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No one has a problem with the centaur obliterating pumas apparently.....
22 Jun 2019, 11:46 AM
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the only pen buff it ever received was a +10 to close pen, that clip is mid not close, btw centaur can do the same to p4 u know that right ?
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22 Jun 2019, 11:50 AM
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No one has a problem with the centaur obliterating pumas apparently.....
The comparison is not the same as the text
And puma have more long range and sight than Centaur
how can puma obliterated by centaur easily?
22 Jun 2019, 12:04 PM
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I'm not saying the new Ostwind's performance (in numbers) vs medium tanks is not a concern but:
this test is not very representative because the units are stationary.
Compared to the T-34, the Ostwind suffers from worse accuracy on the move.
If the T-34 pulls back and the Ostwinds chase (which is the realistic scenario), the Ostwinds' DPM will drop more drastically than the T-34's and the T34 will actually win quite easily from what I can tell.
If you set up a scenario with the T-34 going backwards and the two Ostwinds chasing, you'll notice they'll barely do any damage to it.
this test is not very representative because the units are stationary.
Compared to the T-34, the Ostwind suffers from worse accuracy on the move.
If the T-34 pulls back and the Ostwinds chase (which is the realistic scenario), the Ostwinds' DPM will drop more drastically than the T-34's and the T34 will actually win quite easily from what I can tell.
If you set up a scenario with the T-34 going backwards and the two Ostwinds chasing, you'll notice they'll barely do any damage to it.
22 Jun 2019, 12:32 PM
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I'm not saying the new Ostwind's performance (in numbers) vs medium tanks is not a concern but:
Its not performance against tanks, its performance against everything, Ostwind as about as balanced right now as T-34 would be if got Crocodile flamethrower instead of hull MG and even then current Ostwind is more OP than that, Germany would won the war if they built more of those wunderffales instead of p4 and jagdpanzers
22 Jun 2019, 12:37 PM
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so now that ostwind is comparable to centaur its op ?
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22 Jun 2019, 12:38 PM
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Check the stats on Centaur before making fool of yourself, thats all I have to say
22 Jun 2019, 12:40 PM
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centaur can't miss while moving vs tanks try that with ostwind they literally have an order of unit difference one has 0.6 the other as 0.05, did the same test but with centaur, they killed it a bit slower but bounced the shoots , tried on the move centaur did even better while ostwind.... yuck
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22 Jun 2019, 12:41 PM
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insert something about 6 months of testing
22 Jun 2019, 12:43 PM
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centaur can't miss while moving vs tanks try that with ostwind they literally have an order of unit difference one has 0.6 the other as 0.05, did the same test but with centaur, they killed it a bit slower but bounced the shoots , tried on the move centaur did even better while ostwind.... yuck
Are you that thickhead or just pretending to be stupid? If Centaur was as powerful as Ostwind right now forums would implode from wehraboo rage, also go ahead and check if 2 Centraurs can have flawless victory over P4 in a long range frontal duel
22 Jun 2019, 12:49 PM
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try the same with ostwind vs panzer 4 it will surprise u that they lose, we do equal testing, if the target was the t 34 we do t 34
Are you that thickhead or just pretending to be stupid? If Centaur was as powerful as Ostwind right now forums would implode from wehraboo rage, also go ahead and check if 2 Centraurs can have flawless victory over P4 in a long range frontal duel
btw u said look at at stats and i did to me it seems u are just blind or cant read the stats, having 0.6 and 0.05 are 2 very different things, with the later u can miss while with the other u can't miss vs tank as their target size is around 20, ostwind misses a lot even while standing still if mid long range , centaur will never miss even while moving vs tanks, that's why they made it "slow" (only 1 point form ostwind) imagine it flanking the rear, never missing and pen every 3 shoots (not burst)
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22 Jun 2019, 12:51 PM
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Because Ostwinds fight against P4 rather than T-34, right?
Okay I get it, any discussion with werhaboos on balance was pointless by default.
Okay I get it, any discussion with werhaboos on balance was pointless by default.
22 Jun 2019, 12:52 PM
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Because Ostwinds fight against P4 rather than T-34, right?then shouldn't u test it vs Cromwell or Sherman ? why t 34 ? cause it has the lowest armor ? great logic man, cherry pick some more , what's next that it can defeat a t 70 while centaur can't beat a kt ?
Okay I get it, any discussion with werhaboos on balance was pointless by default.
we do equal stat so we can compare, same reason for inf fights
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22 Jun 2019, 12:55 PM
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Check the stats on Centaur before making fool of yourself, thats all I have to say
What stats? Their main guns work differently, there is nothing to compare there.
The only thing that can be compared is their time to kill versus enemy squads, and as far as I could test, the Ostwind and Centaur are roughly equal in that department now with the Centaur still having the edge.
22 Jun 2019, 12:55 PM
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then shouldn't u test it vs Cromwell or Sherman ? why t 34 ? cause it has the lowest armor ? great logic man, cherry pick some more , what's next that it can defeat a t 70 while centaur can't beat a kt ?
Because Soviets are faction that fights against Axis? Try using your brain for a second, Ostwind and T-34 have similar timings and one of them is thermonuclear wipe machine that can destroy infantry/planes/LV's and even tanks when massed while other struggles against pretty much everything it encounters even though it's tier higher.
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