So when do Riflemen get an upgrade to six men?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 00:41 AMRocket

hahah no they dont never have

Edit i dont want to say never because at one time they and it made sense for usf early game because of okw and axis in general would auto win if the game clock hit 40 mins as usf late game was non existent

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 00:53 AMmurky depths

I was curious about this so I figured I't test it in cheat/mod-tools, which I'm always confused why people don't bother doing but oh well.

I did 6 comparisons of riflemen v volksgrenadiers.

2 at max range with no cover. --> These were 50/50 of who won and it was super close in both cases with the winning squad having a sliver of HP left on the last model.

2 at max range with green cover. --> These were 50/50 too, but not as close in HP -- one round riflemen won, one round volks won, and whoever won had 3 remaining models around half HP. My guess is the green cover nature of things means the fight is longer and so whoever drops a model first has a distinct and longitudinal disadvantage.

2 at close range with no cover. Rifles won, not even close.

Dunno... rifles are more expensive but if they are about equal at max range and have an advantage at close range, eh probably fine.

EDIT: Oh one thing I did notice is that if Volks wipe a rifle-squad, the hit vet 1. If rifles wipe a volks-squad, they do _not_ hit vet 1.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 00:47 AMRocket

Dont want a six man rofle squad at all just adds to game being further effed up, should never be in the position why you have to consider having 6 man rifles

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 23:22 PMCODGUY

Oh watching the community balance team screw up this once cool game is more entertaining than the game itself now lol.

I said it was stupid to put Panzergrens at T1 and that they were already even before this monstrosity balance patch a B.S. OP unit with the dual schreks and sure enough that's what we're seeing just blobs of these things. What do you have as USF to counter this? Oh yeah "the best mainline infantry" Riflemen that get shredded by a basic OKW engineer unit lol.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 23:00 PMCODGUY

Yeah because that's really a viable, reasonably priced option at 150 MP 15 fuel and then 120 munitions after retreating to your base giving up map control.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 23:00 PMCODGUY

Yeah because that's really a viable, reasonably priced option at 150 MP 15 fuel and then 120 munitions after retreating to your base giving up map control.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 23:00 PMCODGUY

Yeah because that's really a viable, reasonably priced option at 150 MP 15 fuel and then 120 munitions after retreating to your base giving up map control.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 00:41 AMRocket

hahah no they dont never have

Edit i dont want to say never because at one time they and it made sense for usf early game because of okw and axis in general would auto win if the game clock hit 40 mins as usf late game was non existent

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 23:08 PMgeneral_gawain

Playing alot as USF lately and to be fair: Rifleman don't need a sixth man. Its Ostheer and Soviets that struggle to keep pace in infantry battles with especially OKW and USF and UKF to a lesser degree.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 00:53 AMmurky depths

I was curious about this so I figured I't test it in cheat/mod-tools, which I'm always confused why people don't bother doing but oh well.

I did 6 comparisons of riflemen v volksgrenadiers.

2 at max range with no cover. --> These were 50/50 of who won and it was super close in both cases with the winning squad having a sliver of HP left on the last model.

2 at max range with green cover. --> These were 50/50 too, but not as close in HP -- one round riflemen won, one round volks won, and whoever won had 3 remaining models around half HP. My guess is the green cover nature of things means the fight is longer and so whoever drops a model first has a distinct and longitudinal disadvantage.

2 at close range with no cover. Rifles won, not even close.

Dunno... rifles are more expensive but if they are about equal at max range and have an advantage at close range, eh probably fine.

EDIT: Oh one thing I did notice is that if Volks wipe a rifle-squad, the hit vet 1. If rifles wipe a volks-squad, they do _not_ hit vet 1.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2019, 06:04 AMKiwiBirb

Did you have the Rifles walk from far to close range, or did you start them close? Just curious, and I think rifles are pretty good, especially late game!

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2019, 17:10 PMzerocoh

I would rather have Rifles with consistent Vet like Volks do and not "Trash until vet 3" veterancy. because losing a squad mid-game is just impossible to replace it without pouring down a ton of resources on a single squad.