Move Conscripts 7th man from t4 to t3?
15 Jun 2019, 19:33 PM
#1
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Maybe it's too early to say but the new Conscript upgrade feels good and useful BUT at same time utterly pointless cuz it arrives too late.
15 Jun 2019, 19:36 PM
#2
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That being a viable option in mid game apparently is specifically why they were put in T4.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
15 Jun 2019, 21:02 PM
#3
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Why not
Though I´d say that its mainly the early game where Cons struggle and should be (/have been) buffed, cause thats when they are not yet synergising with flamers, snipers, T70, guards and all other stuff
Though I´d say that its mainly the early game where Cons struggle and should be (/have been) buffed, cause thats when they are not yet synergising with flamers, snipers, T70, guards and all other stuff
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15 Jun 2019, 21:13 PM
#4
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Why not
Though I´d say that its mainly the early game where Cons struggle and should be (/have been) buffed, cause thats when they are not yet synergising with flamers, snipers, T70, guards and all other stuff
In the early game they dont have an easy time vs OKW but they're definitely strong enough vs Ostheer
15 Jun 2019, 21:27 PM
#5
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I think moving Conscripts 7th man upgrade earlier to t3 would be nice. I do currently think it comes late as it does now! So I do not think it should be an issue in getting it earlier.
Btw, outside from this context but have to mention it. What do you guys think about trading the AT package between Sturmpio (since its lackluster for 70 ammo) and Panzerfusiliers (should get 1 Pzshrek instead)?
Btw, outside from this context but have to mention it. What do you guys think about trading the AT package between Sturmpio (since its lackluster for 70 ammo) and Panzerfusiliers (should get 1 Pzshrek instead)?
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15 Jun 2019, 22:01 PM
#6
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Was it up to me, it would be T3 unlock with side cost of 20-30 fuel associated.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
15 Jun 2019, 22:04 PM
#7
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Btw, outside from this context but have to mention it. What do you guys think about trading the AT package between Sturmpio (since its lackluster for 70 ammo) and Panzerfusiliers (should get 1 Pzshrek instead)?
A Panzerfusilier squad with 1 schreck would be horrible at pretty much everything I think. Dont forget their K98 is much worse than the one from Volks
15 Jun 2019, 22:08 PM
#8
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A Panzerfusilier squad with 1 schreck would be horrible at pretty much everything I think. Dont forget their K98 is much worse than the one from Volks
I mean that is how Sturmpio currently is with 1 schreck and there is no snares at all to compensate for its lacking AT DPS in comparison to others (AT hand held mobile infantry units) . Do you think that it should receive some improvements and changes?
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15 Jun 2019, 22:10 PM
#9
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Was it up to me, it would be T3 unlock with side cost of 20-30 fuel associated.15 is enough
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15 Jun 2019, 22:10 PM
#10
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I mean that is how Sturmpio currently is with 1 schreck and there is no snares at all to compensate for its lacking AT DPS in comparison to others. Do you think that it should receive some improvements and changes?
In comparison to others, OKW has invisible, cheap T0 anti tank gun.
Now stop the offtopic.
Go make a thread about it if it bothers you so much, this one is about cons.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
15 Jun 2019, 22:17 PM
#11
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Still going to take some time for things to shake out after the patch but my feeling too is that t3 is where the upgrade should be. Locking out weapon slots is a huge trade off.
Off topic but I’d like to also see osttruppen lmg upgrade dropped down to t3.
Off topic but I’d like to also see osttruppen lmg upgrade dropped down to t3.
15 Jun 2019, 22:17 PM
#12
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In comparison to others, OKW has invisible, cheap T0 anti tank gun.
Now stop the offtopic.
Go make a thread about it if it bothers you so much, this one is about cons.
T0 does not make it invisible or good. It is not cheap, and for its performance, its simply not good. Still costs quite some 270 manpower. It is the worst AT gun since its adaption to many situations is the worst. It is simply not a proper support weapon!
Just compare it to USF AT gun that costs only 280 manpower, for a huge performance difference. Its rather self evident to see which one is obviously way better?
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Back to Conscripts. T3 is when upgrade should become available. Side tech costing 20 fuel is a bit too much. Maybe around 10 fuel. But I am fine without having side tech and just with getting it instantly available.
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15 Jun 2019, 22:37 PM
#13
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I have not played the new patch yet, but assuming that it does come a bot late (which from my feeling from reading it, it does), we could split the cost of Soviet T4 into a battlephase-like tech that becomes availabe after T3 and enables 1. The conscript upgrade and 2. T4.
So Soviet T4 does not get delayed, the player only needs a tiny bit more micro and we can set the point of the conscript upgrade to whenever we want, depending on how much of the T4 cost we split into this 'Soviet battlephase'
So Soviet T4 does not get delayed, the player only needs a tiny bit more micro and we can set the point of the conscript upgrade to whenever we want, depending on how much of the T4 cost we split into this 'Soviet battlephase'
15 Jun 2019, 23:20 PM
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The balance team mentioned they chose T4 because the T-70 and stronger conscripts arriving at the same time would be too strong.
15 Jun 2019, 23:25 PM
#15
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The balance team mentioned they chose T4 because the T-70 and stronger conscripts arriving at the same time would be too strong.
It's T4 to avoid buffing IS-2 and KV-2 stall strats.
15 Jun 2019, 23:49 PM
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The balance team mentioned they chose T4 because the T-70 and stronger conscripts arriving at the same time would be too strong.
Yeah, and this is a valid concern, but the upgrade feels late in T4. The idea of a side tech in t3 seems reasonable on its face.
16 Jun 2019, 00:23 AM
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Permanently BannedI'd vote yes if Ostruppen lmg was given the same treatment.
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16 Jun 2019, 00:46 AM
#18
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Yeah, and this is a valid concern, but the upgrade feels late in T4. The idea of a side tech in t3 seems reasonable on its face.
+1 I can understand this concern but I doubt that it's crazier than Luchs with Stg Volks... and that arrives even earlier
16 Jun 2019, 00:48 AM
#19
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I'd vote yes if Ostruppen lmg was given the same treatment.
Fair enough but I have to say that "escalate to battlephase 3" is a much smaller requirement with how cheap it is (100/25 I think) compared to soviet t4 building
16 Jun 2019, 00:50 AM
#20
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The problem here is that once again Soviets would be balanced to match OKW, without considering what the buffs would do to a match-up against Wehrmacht.
Grens are already in a difficult spot, having swarms of 7 man conscripts running around in combination with a T-70 would easily clear Wehrmacht players off the field.
Grens are already in a difficult spot, having swarms of 7 man conscripts running around in combination with a T-70 would easily clear Wehrmacht players off the field.
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