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Perhaps I'm biased by the unrelenting stream of IS-2 stallers I've had to put up with since the last patch (and which this patch will just make worse), but I still think 375 is a stupid armour value for any unit.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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If you do that, the StuG holds the special honour of being the only unit in the game that becomes completely useless if the opponent goes for a heavy tank.
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This is just wrong. If you consider price, tech and timing you will realise Stugs do well vs Churchills + it´s different variants, Pershing, KV1 and KV2. A pair of Stugs is very powerful especially with TWP.
Yes they are not the answer to T70 into IS2 stall tactics but that's the beauty of COH2. Not every unit is right for every situation.
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No that is only the M36 privilege.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Well, it gets up to 500 for axis units and they have multiple of them.
Also, you're well aware that heavies will end up on tech sooner then later, so its kind of pointless to buff stug to deal with a unit its not supposed to, because there is a problem that is going to be solved soon.
This is just wrong. If you consider price, tech and timing you will realise Stugs do well vs Churchills + it´s different variants, Pershing, KV1 and KV2. A pair of Stugs is very powerful especially with TWP.
Yes they are not the answer to T70 into IS2 stall tactics but that's the beauty of COH2. Not every unit is right for every situation.
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(psst, that's the case if you have a faction that doesn't have alternative, you know, like 2 dedicated TDs stock in 2 different tiers - its not a privilege, its a necessary requirement)
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No matter how many time you repeat the same argument it will not become true.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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They are tank destroyers and should thus clearly have better penetration+ they can't self spot or have rotating turrets like allied TD's ...
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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I am not suggesting to buff the Panther and nerf the Su-85.
I am simply making some points:
1)Unit should have role in the game.
2) Units should be balanced both in vet 0 and at higher vets. The relationship could change if there is a reason. A unit vetting slower might need to have superior vet bonuses.
3) Unit should be priced according to their role if the role of the JP is to counter enemy mediums and enemy tank destroyer the unit should cheaper than those units.
4) Tds should not have 100% chance to hit and penetrate enemy vehicles at range 60. Else they have little reason to engage in other ranges.
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They have 170 far penetration.
Their intended targets have 160 armor.
JP4 DOES self spot.
They are either much more durable or incomparably cheaper from allied counterparts.
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No matter how many time you repeat the same argument it will not become true.
psst, load the game you will see that only 2 out of 5 faction have 2 dedicated TDs stock in 2 different tiers. (actually one since SU-76 can barrage)
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Sorry but what do you mean by "intended"? Axis TDs intended to deal with mediums and allied TDs intended to kill heavies?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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They have 170 far penetration.
Their intended targets have 160 armor.
JP4 DOES self spot.
They are either much more durable or incomparably cheaper from allied counterparts.
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Sorry but what do you mean by "intended"? Axis TDs intended to deal with mediums and allied TDs intended to kill heavies? The point of this topic is not their penetration performance against mediums.
JP4 does self spot at VET2, not by default.
The durability of JP4 is not enough to protect it against the INTENDED allied Super-TDs. 230armor vs 220/240/260 pen of M36. They can penetrate each other with every shot.
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Exactly.
In case you've missed about 50 posts in this thread explaining why, let me briefly get you on board:
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Targets of StuG and JP4 are light vehicles and mediums. Allied medium tank is usually 160 armor, making Stug and JP4 pen with 100% chance.
Unlike Axis, with the expection of Soviets Allies do not have access to another tier of tank destroyers that can deal with heavies. This means that their TD must be able to deal with the heaviest armor, otherwise we go back to the "I win"-King Tiger button.
Also, Allies usually don't have much heavy armor, so the Panther is an additional option as a brawler tank or against heavy call ins or heavier British tanks to reliably deal with them. That's why Stug and JP4 don't need the pen to deal with heavy armor.
Also, JP4 has 45 base sight which enables it to spot mediums for itself without being fired back on.
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Targets of StuG and JP4 are light vehicles and mediums. Allied medium tank is usually 160 armor, making Stug and JP4 pen with 100% chance.
Unlike Axis, with the expection of Soviets Allies do not have access to another tier of tank destroyers that can deal with heavies. This means that their TD must be able to deal with the heaviest armor, otherwise we go back to the "I win"-King Tiger button.
Also, Allies usually don't have much heavy armor, so the Panther is an additional option as a brawler tank or against heavy call ins or heavier British tanks to reliably deal with them. That's why Stug and JP4 don't need the pen to deal with heavy armor.
Also, JP4 has 45 base sight which enables it to spot mediums for itself without being fired back on.
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