Doesnt seem that dumb. Its the same armor as the KT which has more health and better gun. I think the IS2 was given that armor so that the allies would have something comparable to the KT. I dont think it always had that much
Jp4 should trade some of its armour for pen. It doesnt need 230 armour. Maybe make it a little faster/give it faster rotation too.
It always had it.
It was the only durable allied tank for a loooong time.
Also, its gun is very bad compared to Tigers in reload and scatter and now in base range as well.
Tiger is basically oversized P4, while IS-2 is oversized KV-1.
Which is why we're talking about buffing the pen on JP4?
Which isn't going to happen, because that's panthers field of expertise.
StuG is very spammable and very efficiently hardcounters med and premium med tank spam, while JP4 actually counters allied TDs, especially with vet.
Name me one anti-tank vehicle other than the StuG and JPIV that doesn't have either
A: The penetration to reliably damage a heavy from the front.
B: The mobility and penetration to reliably damage a heavy from the rear.
C: Vet 0 secondary utility that lets it do something else useful (such as the SU-76's artillery barrage).
Name me one anti-tank vehicle other then panther that does have:
-200+ penetration
-enough range to outrange all medium and most vet0 heavy armor.
-massive mobility AND large frontal armor value AND 960 health, allowing it to always place itself in favorable position against all kinds of armor, be it flanking or just sitting in front of it
Not every vehicle is supposed to do everything, especially if there is a more powerful unit above it for the job.
If it was, SU-76 wouldn't have received penetration and RoF nerfs and its selling point, barrage, was gutted by nerfs to the point where its hardly a good idea to even use it outside of panic moments.
You want stronger StuG and JP4?
You have to give up something on the panther.
The IS-2 is the main culprit insofar as the StuG and JPIV are concerned.
Its ONE singular allied unit with 300+ armor.
One.
There is no more and its limited to TWO doctrines on one faction and its limited to ONE on field.
Its limited enough to not be any kind of culprit and if IS-2 isn't a justification of Panther, then Panther doesn't really have a place in this game either.
Your argument would hold any value, if IS-2 was a stock unit, you know, like KT is.
I'm talking a similar investment of resources. That's one Panther, two StuGs, two Panzer IVs, three Pumas.
I'm quite positive 5 SU-76 will lose badly to JagdTiger.
That's also similar investment of resources.
PaK40 will always lose to ZiS-3.
That's also similar investment of resources.
Tiger will also win against 3 T-70 rather easily.
That's also similar investment of resources.
Shreck PGs aren't going to have a happy time against dual BAR rifles.
That's also similar investment of resources.
See, just because you've invested a similar amount of resources, doesn't mean you got the
right units.