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SOV: Move T-34/76 to T3 and make T-34/85 non-doc/T4

8 Jun 2019, 00:40 AM
#21
avatar of distrofio

Posts: 2358

Or make the 76 a T3 sidetech, therefore allowing a T70 window and allowing it to be skipped?


I like this idea, very clever one.

I really want to see T34 in T3, becoming core in any SU rooster and displace T70 into the situational/utility role. But for that T70 must be tweaked too.
If t34 could become a 'expendable' tank (cheap and throwable) like IRL WW2 that would be awsome.

IMO T34/85 in T4 nondoc, is a nono.
8 Jun 2019, 01:10 AM
#22
avatar of cochosgo

Posts: 301

I think it would be easier to move the T34/76 to T3 but increase its fuel cost, then decrease it as T4 is built (just like tier 1 and 2 become cheaper when the other one is built). You pay more earlier for the chance of having an early medium, which could find its nieche on soviet builds.

But then we might have to replace the T34s place in the T4 building. Maybe a KV1? or the "red banner" T34 which i don't know whats supposed to do. Maybe something that synergizes with the T34s, or just leave it there so you could pump out T34/76 from two production buildings.
8 Jun 2019, 02:39 AM
#23
avatar of MrBananaGrabber.
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It would have been great if tier 4 had a universal upgrade to convert T34/76s into T34/85s. Like the universal Sherman upgrade from COH1.
8 Jun 2019, 04:01 AM
#24
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Problem: T-34/76 is not present in very many games.

Reason: Soviets have better options for the role that come at lower cost, causing little incentive to tech up.

Solution 2: Change Soviet tech requirements to you can build T3 or T4 once T1 or T2 is built, but increase the price of the T4 building. This also makes rushing for a T-34/76 more viable without changing the actual stats or cost of any unit, just the tech order and cost of tech. (I prefer this solution.)


Personally, I think that this is a good idea, makes soviet tech tree more unique. Though maybe having T3 built should decrease T4 cost to what we have now, so players still have the option to do the same thing.
8 Jun 2019, 06:58 AM
#25
avatar of Crecer13

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Objectively, there is no need for the T-34-76. his position can be improved or made him T3.5 so that he would come earlier than T4 or make it necessary in T4: modifying it to the flamethrower OT-34 would give it real use, but there is no new animation - so this is not realistic. Improve it in T4 but make it more expensive: more penetration, give a veteran ability to "fire and maneuver" which increases the speed of movement and the speed of rotation of the turret.
8 Jun 2019, 09:26 AM
#26
avatar of Aarotron

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If you put 85 into base tech, what would you even use to replace originaö slots in commanders? Kv 1s? Even more kv 8s?
8 Jun 2019, 09:37 AM
#27
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The T-34/85 is one of the most cost efficient buffs. Making it a stock unit would be a huge buff to the Soviet faction and it would make them OP.
8 Jun 2019, 11:20 AM
#28
avatar of Stug life

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You've spelled sherman wrong.
nah 90 fuel is dirty cheap for a tank
8 Jun 2019, 11:26 AM
#29
avatar of Katitof

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nah 90 fuel is dirty cheap for a tank

And that makes it cheapest tank.
Not most efficient.
That's still sherman with stock smoke, good mobility, above average pen, self repairs and HE shells.
8 Jun 2019, 13:20 PM
#30
avatar of Stug life

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with equal cost of tanks 76 beats sherman tho, and it still has good AI too
8 Jun 2019, 16:31 PM
#31
avatar of Mr Carmine

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Imo the t34 76 is fine where it is. If moved to t3 it will make the t70 reduntant. And will arive too soon.

Right now it can be rushed and in pairs they do great work. Well worth the price.
8 Jun 2019, 17:14 PM
#32
avatar of distrofio

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Imo the t34 76 is fine where it is. If moved to t3 it will make the t70 reduntant. And will arive too soon.

Right now it can be rushed and in pairs they do great work. Well worth the price.

T34 suits better for the core tank for SU, T70 could become a specific role tool or a cheap alternative, nerfing its AI and with some other buffs. T3 T34 have a good window of opportunity that will force axis into a defensive midgame. If the T34 were to fail (wich could happen) the damage is worse than loosing a T70. Therefore a comeback window opens.
9 Jun 2019, 02:06 AM
#33
avatar of NaOCl

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If you put 85 into base tech, what would you even use to replace originaö slots in commanders? Kv 1s? Even more kv 8s?


As in the original post, any will do an ISU-152.
9 Jun 2019, 11:44 AM
#34
avatar of Mr Carmine

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T34 suits better for the core tank for SU, T70 could become a specific role tool or a cheap alternative, nerfing its AI and with some other buffs. T3 T34 have a good window of opportunity that will force axis into a defensive midgame. If the T34 were to fail (wich could happen) the damage is worse than loosing a T70. Therefore a comeback window opens.


I see your point. But what role would the t70 need to fill? Scouting? Other then that i can not think of anything else.
9 Jun 2019, 11:48 AM
#35
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I see your point. But what role would the t70 need to fill? Scouting? Other then that i can not think of anything else.

It's cheaper, faster an more maneuverable.
9 Jun 2019, 11:51 AM
#36
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I see your point. But what role would the t70 need to fill? Scouting? Other then that i can not think of anything else.


In general, already in 1943, the T-70 began to be removed from tank formations and they begin to be used as a reconnaissance tank, an armored tractor for guns and commander vehicles of self-propelled artillery regiments armed with SU-76s. One of the options to make reconnaissance and historical command tank - it increases the characteristics of the SU-76.
9 Jun 2019, 12:15 PM
#37
avatar of Lago

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Y'all know this is crazy, right?

The T3 T-70 is already so strong it appears in almost every SOV game.

The T-34/76...

...is only 20 MP 20 FU more expensive.
...has twice the armour.
...has 260 more HP.
...has twice the penetration.
...is similarly brutal against infantry.
...fires three times slower but at four times the damage.

Think this through, people. 75 FU of teching is what makes the difference between Mobile Defence being the sole meta and being on the junk heap of doctrines.

You'll break the game if you stick the T-34/76 in T3.
9 Jun 2019, 16:42 PM
#38
avatar of NaOCl

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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jun 2019, 12:15 PMLago
Y'all know this is crazy, right?

The T3 T-70 is already so strong it appears in almost every SOV game.

The T-34/76...

...is only 20 MP 20 FU more expensive.
...has twice the armour.
...has 260 more HP.
...has twice the penetration.
...is similarly brutal against infantry.
...fires three times slower but at four times the damage.

Think this through, people. 75 FU of teching is what makes the difference between Mobile Defence being the sole meta and being on the junk heap of doctrines.

You'll break the game if you stick the T-34/76 in T3.


Make a T3.5 then, as others have suggested.
9 Jun 2019, 16:47 PM
#39
avatar of Lago

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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jun 2019, 16:42 PMNaOCl
Make a T3.5 then, as others have suggested.


Then you're incentivising not building it, as you'll get to avoid the fuel cost of sideteching it if you don't.

The T-34/76 could maybe do with a +20 penetration buff, but it's timing is fine.
9 Jun 2019, 16:56 PM
#40
avatar of Crecer13

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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jun 2019, 16:47 PMLago


Then you're incentivising not building it, as you'll get to avoid the fuel cost of sideteching it if you don't.

The T-34/76 could maybe do with a +20 penetration buff, but it's timing is fine.


Now there is no incentive for the construction of T-34-76. He comes at the same time as the Pz4 which beats him as an anti-infantry and anti tank. Or a little earlier than the Panther if the German does not go to T3. Maybe in 1 vs 1 this has a meaning, but in 2 vs 2 and above in T-34 there is no sense.
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