M36 Jackson

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 16:05 PMGI John 412

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Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 12:56 PMFelinewolfie

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Infantry lovers think MG42 is OP.
MG42 lovers think mortars are OP.

Late game heavy armor axis players think TDs are op.
Late game infantry blob players think M8A1 is op.

Allied tank spam lovers think Panthers are OP, so...
I think it's situational, overall.

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Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 16:48 PMElSlayer

The Ugly Truth.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 17:17 PMGI John 412

I suppose if Panzer IVs had bad penetration like Shermans and then you take away the light/economic option by removing the StuG III, then you’d have a similar situation and all you’d see is Panthers.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 12:52 PMFelinewolfie

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The Jackson used to do better dmg (200 dmg basic ~240 dmg w ammo) and 125 fuel 12 pop
The fuel went up to ~140 fu, 16 pop and now does less dmg (160 basic, 200 w ammo) I think.
The STUG has better armor and a stun unit ability.
The Firefly has better armor and a stun unit ability.
The Jackson doesn't have this ability it also doesn't have an MG

It's been hard-nerfed since it's early beginnings.
If you insist on it being further nerfed, like most of the players
who insist all allied AT assets being removed from the game, well...

Sherman 76 spam?
The do better damage, have 3x MGs and are cheaper

Also, further nerfs to allied AT assets will simply result in yet another nerf to
all axis armor like last time the allied TDs were nerfed (Panther lost armor, hulldown
was nerfed, Command Pz4 was nerfed...)

Why don't you see for yourself?
Play USF and tell us if you can achieve 20+ win streaks by using Jacksons alone.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 18:33 PMthedarkarmadillo

You are forgetting the GIANT pen buff the Jackson got when it's damage was reduced. It was a reliability buff not a flat nerf.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 18:13 PMelchino7

That's not the case.

Sherman: 140-120-100
PIV: 125-115-110
Cromwell: 135-120-105
T34-76: 120-100-80


Things that could be touched on the Jackson: moving accuracy and cost.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 20:21 PMEsxile

What about armor?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 20:42 PMStug life

in order
160
180(234) & 234
160
150

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 21:52 PMKatitof

Fixed, because you can't really ignore it.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 20:42 PMStug life

in order
160
180
160
150

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 22:30 PMStug life

well okw p4 is more of premium medium with the price tag, btw remove the ost p4 vet/reload armor or we would count vet pen too

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 22:39 PMEsxile

So yes if we look at the Ostheer Pz4, unless you can reach close range with your sherman where you're still losing by a close margin but have a chance to win thanks to your superior moving accuracy, 80% of fights which are occurring at mid and long range are at your disadvantage. That's the problem and reason you rarely see more than one sherman on the field and much more Jacksons.

And its become even worst vs OKW pz4.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not calling for nerf or whatsoever, just stating a fact.