Rebirth of the Sherman Jumbo idea.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 12:54 PMT.R. Stormjäger

There’s already two unique M4 variants in the game that barely see any use. Why would a third one make any difference?

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 13:01 PMTiger Baron

There's 5 in total, standard M4A3 Sherman, M4A3 76(W) Sherman, M4A3 105 Sherman, M4A3E8 Sherman, and the Calliope.

This Jumbo would be a 6th variant with more armor, hp, slower and with the same 75mm gun as the standard Sherman but no shell changing, at least in my mind.

It would be easier to balance right now than the Bulldozer for Urban Assault and would provide a new and unique useful tank for the new commander that many people want, plus it arguably fits the theme better than any other unit. Of course that if you're assaulting a town you'll want to send in your most armored tank to support your infantry, and not one equipped with a bulldozer blade lol.

Also another picture of CoH models of the 76(W) Sherman and Jumbo from a mod:



Barely any difference is noticable besides the gun.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 13:15 PMT.R. Stormjäger

That’s cool and everything, but a Heavy tank does not fit the theme of an urban assault commander. Not only is pathing in the game difficult for heavies in narrow environments, but historically attacking towns with heavy armour was not an option with all the rubble in the streets. I think the jumbo is just a case of people wanting more shiny new stuff.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 13:20 PMTiger Baron

Heavy Tank? What Heavy tank? This is not a Pershing, it's an up-armored Sherman medium tank similar to the British Comet or German Panther.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 13:25 PMKatitof

Actually, if anything, its KV-1 in sherman shape. Literally.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 13:58 PMJibberJabberJobber

This almost-Jumbo convinces me more than those Airborne Guards arriving with smoke.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 12:54 PMT.R. Stormjäger

There’s already two unique M4 variants in the game that barely see any use. Why would a third one make any difference?

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 12:50 PMTiger Baron

This is the CoH model from mods:



Like I said, you can barely notice the extra slabs of armor unless you zoom all the way in and even then it's hard to distinguish.

The shorter 75mm gun in the 76 gun turret is the biggest visual communication.

Of course the 76mm gun equipped Sherman Jumbo in CoH's mods are a little hard to distinguish from the regular 76mm Sherman as well unless they're right next to each othere where you notice that one of the 2 is thicc boi.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 15:24 PMLago

You know, I'm not entirely certain those slabs are modelled on that Jumbo. It might just be clever texturing, like the gaps in the treads.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 15:16 PMBartonPL

i've been telling this for many months, US needs Panther a'lke tank and IMO the Jumbo is the best option, kind of less firepower but armour is still at Panthers level

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 15:31 PMVipper

You mean like the Easy8 ?

Panther armor
Armor: 260/90

Easy8 armor
Armor: 215/95

Dozer armor
Armor: 200/80

Pershing armor

Armor: 300/110

New Upgrades dozer Sherman
Armor: 215/105

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 15:31 PMVipper

You mean like the Easy8 ?

Panther armor
Armor: 260/90

Easy8 armor
Armor: 215/95

Dozer armor
Armor: 200/80

Pershing armor

Armor: 300/110

New Upgrades dozer Sherman
Armor: 215/105

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 15:41 PMddd

How excatly is easy8 armor on the same level as panther? What would you call p4 234 armor then?

Not to mention additional 26 armor at vet 2 and 960 hp, which gives us 286 armor 960hp vs 215 armor 720hp, how is that comparable?

But i like the idea of turning easy8 into "panther like" tank, needs AT LEAST 240 armor and 800hp.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 15:50 PMDangerous-Cloth

Sure, but then its ai abilities need to be towed down to Panther level

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 15:49 PMDangerous-Cloth

Just don't give it churchill health AND armor.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 15:41 PMddd

How excatly is easy8 armor on the same level as panther? What would you call p4 234 armor then?

Not to mention additional 26 armor at vet 2 and 960 hp, which gives us 286 armor 960hp vs 215 armor 720hp, how is that comparable?

But i like the idea of turning easy8 into "panther like" tank, needs AT LEAST 240 armor and 800hp.

Jump back to quoted post7 May 2019, 16:15 PMVipper

The fuel and tech cost difference put them at the same level.

Tell you what since you think Easy is bad tank lets clone PzIV to be Easy close and see how bad it actually is.