Rebirth of the Sherman Jumbo idea.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 19:57 PMTiger Baron

Just want to share this with the community as a last effort for a Jumbo for the USF Urban Assault Company in the place of the bulldozer.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 20:36 PMddd

I have idea for special ability instead of smoke: gains increased rate of fire but gets immobilized, similar to coh1 panzer elite p4.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 20:39 PMLago

I'd rather smoke. It's a heavy tank.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 20:39 PMLago

I'd rather smoke. It's a heavy tank.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 20:47 PMSander93

It's a nice effort for sure, but it still lacks defining features of the Sherman Jumbo like the extra glacis armor plate and the very thick mantlet that would make the model stand out enough.

I personally think the current Sherman variants with all kinds of different amounts of HP and armor are already pushing the boundries of visual communication to the player. A pseudo-Jumbo model that mostly looks like a Sherman 76mm with a shorter barrel but with way higher armor/hp than other similar looking Shermans would make things too confusing.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 20:47 PMSander93

It's a nice effort for sure, but it still lacks defining features of the Sherman Jumbo like the extra glacis armor plate and the very thick mantlet that would make the model stand out enough.

I personally think the current Sherman variants with all kinds of different amounts of HP and armor are already pushing the boundries of visual communication to the player. A pseudo-Jumbo model that mostly looks like a Sherman 76mm with a shorter barrel but with way higher armor/hp than other similar looking Shermans would make things too confusing.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 20:47 PMSander93

It's a nice effort for sure, but it still lacks defining features of the Sherman Jumbo like the extra glacis armor plate and the very thick mantlet that would make the model stand out enough.

I personally think the current Sherman variants with all kinds of different amounts of HP and armor are already pushing the boundries of visual communication to the player. A pseudo-Jumbo model that mostly looks like a Sherman 76mm with a shorter barrel but with way higher armor/hp than other similar looking Shermans would make things too confusing.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 21:03 PMTiger Baron

It's obvious that the commander is currently the most unpopular of the bunch and a Jumbo might just make it a bit more worthwhile, unique, new and useful all at the same time, not to mention easier to balance.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 21:18 PMSander93

I don't deny that, I think the Jumbo would be a wonderful adition to USF (it should've been in the stock unit line-up), but the Jumbo simply can not be accurately implemented with the tools that are available and I don't think it's worth putting in a model that only partially looks like one.

In fact I doubt Relic would even allow it because of quality standards.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 21:30 PMTiger Baron

You mean the same quality standards as the Soviet Maxim death loop or the ZiS 3's crew getting a heart attack and hopping off and on the gun every time they have to fire the barrage ability?

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 21:30 PMTiger Baron

As ddd and Lago have already stated, simply give it a different icon, nobody will seriously zoom in all of the way to view the unit in detail, it's purely for gameplay purposes not to look authentic plus as you said to me in the chat the other day that gameplay takes priority over real life specs?

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 21:38 PMSander93

Bugs are not the same as model quality.




Completely ripped out of context, we were talking about gun charactaristics on vehicles that are completely different visually. The Elefant's 88mm KwK43 can behave differently from the King Tiger's because the Elefant and its gameplay role are utterly distinguishable from a King Tiger. A pseudo Jumbo that mostly looks like a Sherman 76 wouldn't be.

This is like requesting the Jagdpanther to be in CoH2 and just proposing to use the Panther model with the turret stuck facing forwards because they kinda look the same from a distance.

Jump back to quoted post6 May 2019, 21:47 PMVipper

KV-1/Churchill clones support by the best TD, one of the most cost efficient indirect fire support unit, Scott, top of the line mainline infatry and support weapons would simply prove problematic.