OKW Core changes commander Revamp Patch

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 13:45 PMSkysTheLimit

I can work with that, makes sense. But being able to retreat does distinguish it from the zis and m42. Within my suggestion a 5th man is a nice survivability buff, so what would you think about removing retreat (including the other changes too)?

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 16:59 PMdistrofio

5 man wont cut it and on axis and is just as out of place as a hobo in a spa.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 18:23 PMSkysTheLimit

There's literally a 5 man squad in the same building as the Rak, and it's the factions' core infantry....

And increasing crew size is much better than reducing RA which wont save it from tank shells. The retreat function is more unusual for an AT gun than 5 man squads are to axis.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 18:33 PMLoopDloop

+1 on increasing to 5 men (I guess that should go for stolen ones too).

I think if it loses retreat it should get a range buff though, somewhere between what it is now and actual AT gun range (since it would still have camo).

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 19:53 PMSkysTheLimit

Yeah it used to get a 10% range buff (goes from 50 to 55) at vet 4 which they took away. They could bring that back to an earlier vet level or even just give it to the vanilla version, depending on how we decide to nerf it

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 13:45 PMSkysTheLimit

I can work with that, makes sense. But being able to retreat does distinguish it from the zis and m42. Within my suggestion a 5th man is a nice survivability buff, so what would you think about removing retreat (including the other changes too)?

Jump back to quoted post3 May 2019, 15:24 PMT.R. Stormjäger

It’s also significantly worse by a huge margin and in a tier structure that everyone skips to get Luch/Puma. It’s not fanboying, it’s the reality of things.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 20:30 PMLago

It's retreat + 50 range or no retreat + 60 range imo.

A 50 range Raketenwerfer with no retreat would constantly change hands.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 08:25 AMVipper

If I am not mistaken (since I have not checked the editor)

+5% Barrage Range
-23% received accuracy
-40% barrage recharge, +33% barrage range
5 shells in barrage
+15% penetration +15% damage

• 25% bonus to smoke barrage range only
  
• -23% received accuracy
  
• -40% barrage recharge
  
• 5 shells in barrage
  
• +15% penetration, +15% damage, 20% scatter reduction bonus added
  

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 22:28 PMinsaneHoshi

From What I can tell according to its last major changes in may 2018 its:

• 25% bonus to smoke barrage range only
  
• -23% received accuracy
  
• -40% barrage recharge
  
• 5 shells in barrage
  
• +15% penetration, +15% damage, 20% scatter reduction bonus added
  

Which as far as I can tell, is terrible.

Jump back to quoted post4 May 2019, 20:30 PMLago

It's retreat + 50 range or no retreat + 60 range imo.

A 50 range Raketenwerfer with no retreat would constantly change hands.

Jump back to quoted post5 May 2019, 17:10 PMSuperHansFan

The vet is poor and built around barrages because every indirect vet is like that since the big indirect fire balance patch

USF mortar, wehr mortar, Soviet mortar, Brit paradrop mortar all have similar vet. If you buff leig vet with stuff like extra auto attack range or RoF then what's the point of the balance team going through all that testing and rebalancing?

You're just reverting the game to leigfest or 120mm parked racking up 40+ kills again

Jump back to quoted post5 May 2019, 17:14 PMVipper

Compare it with the Pak howitzer vet:

Unlocks the 'White Phosphorous Barrage' ability
Replaces the standard barrage by HEAT +100% damage, +250% penetration, and +100% range.
+33% range, -30% ability recharge

Jump back to quoted post5 May 2019, 17:14 PMVipper

Compare it with the Pak howitzer vet:

Unlocks the 'White Phosphorous Barrage' ability
Replaces the standard barrage by HEAT +100% damage, +250% penetration, and +100% range.
+33% range, -30% ability recharge

Jump back to quoted post5 May 2019, 18:15 PMLago

Direct AT Fire is probably the best buff for the LeiG. Make it Battlegroup's Puma.