Overwatch Flares, rework or remove

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 01:19 AMdistrofio

Its offtopic but it would depend of the prupose of the gold brick. As a paperweight it is not worth more than a lead one. But for general pruposes it is.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 04:56 AMthedarkarmadillo

Actually that's a great example, because using it wrong doesn't change its value.

Look at the commisar squad. Both of his infantry modifier abilities have no cost to use but generate value. Free but valuable.
Something can have no cost and still have worth.
. The free flares are, well... Free and provide recon without so much as an arming time. That's poor design frankly. Adding the need to deploy them would really round them out. This is legit the only commander I can think of that grants passive that require nothing from the player as I think about it.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 01:52 AMSkysTheLimit

It's free recon...

...That was correctly fixed on the British command tank. It should be nerfed here too...

...This has nothing to do with anyones likes or dislikes.

Then it's a good thing you're the only one talking about that

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 04:56 AMthedarkarmadillo

Actually that's a great example, because using it wrong doesn't change its value.

Look at the commisar squad. Both of his infantry modifier abilities have no cost to use but generate value. Free but valuable.
Something can have no cost and still have worth.
. The free flares are, well... Free and provide recon without so much as an arming time. That's poor design frankly. Adding the need to deploy them would really round them out. This is legit the only commander I can think of that grants passive that require nothing from the player as I think about it.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 06:32 AMelchino7

You mean requiring some kind of input to gain the benefits of it, not just been a plain upgrade without cost right ?

If i have to make a list:

Units gaining abilities for free:

-IS/Rifles/Volks/Con building defenses or Conscripts been able to repair. Can't remember but Rifles used to have extended LoS on cover but it was really bugged and not working.
-Recent changes to Armor company with Elite vehicle crews.
-Hulldown. AT gun cammo. Dank Hunter Tanks cammo.

Changes to abilities:
-Old Thorough salvage (although not necessary a buff as it took longer).

Intel abilities:
-Radio Intercept and Forward "Intelligence/Or something like that". The bundle on the OW doctrine also gives their trucks the minimap passive ability.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 06:32 AMdistrofio

It absolutly does, apparently OP's dislike the ability and want it :reworked: (AKA ninja nerf), or removed.vYeah, people dont get sarcasm at first try, but even slowpokes get the joke eventually.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 06:35 AMelchino7

Units gaining abilities for free:

-IS/Rifles/Volks/Con building defenses or Conscripts been able to repair. Can't remember but Rifles used to have extended LoS on cover but it was really bugged and not working.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 12:27 PMSkysTheLimit

Which isn't as strong as the flares. Not even close.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 12:35 PMJibberJabberJobber

Disclaimer: I agree overwatch flares are bollocks, but calling radio intercept a weaker ability is an.. interesting opinion.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 14:44 PMTiger Baron

I suggest it be replaced by the 251 Owl Infrared Halftrack to limit it's abuse.

It can be replaced by something like the 250 or a regular 251 in it's place in the Med HQ.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 12:37 PMSkysTheLimit

Then where's your thread about it?

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 12:40 PMJibberJabberJobber

Disclaimer 2: I never said radio intercept should be changed in any way.

The implementation of overwatch flares should be changed however.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 12:42 PMSkysTheLimit

Then whats interesting about saying radio intercept is weaker? It's a strong ability to be sure, but on map recon will always be more useful

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 12:52 PMJibberJabberJobber

Again, not saying Radio Intercept should be changed in any way, just that the main problem with overwatch flares is not their strength, but their implementation.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 12:42 PMSkysTheLimit

Then whats interesting about saying radio intercept is weaker? It's a strong ability to be sure, but on map recon will always be more useful

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:00 PMdistrofio

Map vision alone is only useful for indirect fire.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:00 PMdistrofio

Actually not. The only biggest role recon has is to KNOW if your enemy has already fielded a specific troop. I e. Shock units. Therefore radio intercept gives you that information without needing to know where is it.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:10 PMSkysTheLimit

Our opinions on this don't matter unless you think flares shouldn't be changed at all. Is that what you think? You went from "l2p" to approving of a nerf, so clearly you're here just to argue with me...

Make a thread about radio intercept if you think it's better.