Feedback for New Commander mod 4.0 - OST core changes

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 16:53 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

>An ability allows 350mp squad, 70mu ability, 90mu upgrade and perhaps 30mu grenade to counter an MG-42/34
>Hot diggity better nerf that

Seems totally reasonable. Don't want anything to be able to remove that lone MG do we?

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 17:03 PMJibberJabberJobber

Soviets already have For The Motherland combined with shocks. This is not considered broken either.

Techless 2 CP AT guns and old AT overwatch were broken however.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 15:49 PMKatitof

And no, SVT doesn't double DPS of anything, even CEs and most certainly not even CLOSE to DPS of vanila grens.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 17:35 PMKatitof

CEs have high reinforce cost and no durability, it would be pointless to use them that way.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 17:35 PMKatitof

And I'd still prefer to troll ost by letting them take crates, so they have nerfed DPS and potentially blocked LMG, however if 4 rifles will stay, it'll be another great option for Cons, sadly, another doctrinal option, apparently cons have to be utter shit without doctrine, which is sad.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 17:41 PMKirrik

Whats the point of SVT in crates? Penal PPSh is downgrade as their vet makes cqc suicidal and they have no abilities to support it, CE SVT is worse than flamer, only unit really benefiting from them are Conscripts, why not just make it Conscript upgrade?
Those crates would just become annoyance, you could also troll axis player with them assuming they dont know what they picking up

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2019, 19:10 PMKirrik

>>IL-2 Rocket Strafe
>>A slight delay has been added due to the high damage this ability can deal to armored vehicles in a short period of time, before players can react.
>>Added a delay of 2 seconds before the airstrike arrives.

This was only usable on small maps before nerf, on all 4v4 maps and chunk of 2v2's plane already was too slow to ever hit anything unless you used it near the edge of the map

Now it's utterly worthless on any maps that are larger than 1v1 in size. CAS commander has similar strafe, with 1.5 sec delay, I've never seen it hit anything in my life after it received delay, even on small maps

Also, it's looking even more pathetic compared to PTAB or or IL-2 bombing run. At this point recon would be more useful that *this*

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 16:21 PMjagd wölfe

Now test both vs structures and vs infantry.

Then test from the first rocket/shot landed how fast a stationary tank can get away.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 18:02 PM12ozMouse

IL-2 Rocket strafe have nevet been good enough.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 16:54 PMddd

You are not paying 140 muni to use it every time, it costs 70 muni for smoke + sprint. Breaking ost defenses even once in 1v1 is enough to snowball into big lead as usf. And this combination seems very good at rushing team weapons, avoiding bunkers and getting on top of ost infantry. There is good reason why rangers dont have sprint, they dont need it to be effective tbh.

You dont really have to teach me how to defend vs usf as im playing pretty much only usf. There are many people here who think ost is in a bad shape especialy vs usf. This change is not very meaningful vs okw but makes usf even better vs ost.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 18:33 PMJibberJabberJobber

Never been good enough? There was an IL2 rocket strafe before this patch?

I learn new things every day here.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 18:45 PM12ozMouse

4 weeks we test IL2 rocket strafe
4 weeks IL2 rocket strafe usles

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 14:26 PMMrBananaGrabber.

I'm really surprised at how one sided this patch is.

We have two axis commanders that are incredibly strong, and will make 3v3 and 4v4 matches even more toxic, thanks to the addition of a new kind of shrek blob and heavy tanks.

Meanwhile At best we have one half decent UKF commander (swap the M5 for a Stuart or M8 already, no one is going to bother with the M5), a weak commander for the US (swap dozer blade for easy8 or 76mm) and a Soviet commander that has no decent late game AT options, which means it will never be a viable choice for any serious players.

On top of that vanilla axis units are getting buffed, but no allied ones, which makes the patch smack of axis bias.
Especially with all the constructive feedback for the allied commanders being ignored.

I'm really dissapointed, especially if this is being made by the same team that made the previous patch, which was so much better than this.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 18:22 PMBizrock

VS Infantry
Il2 damage around 20-30% of a pioneer squad health and JU-87 did 15-20% of a pioneer squad health and supress.
Vs structures
against a wood house (the west wood house of crossing in the woods), JU87 AT strafe did around 55-65% of damage meanwhile IL-2 rocket strafe did 10-20%
It's very hard to test how fast a stationary tank can get away. but the times between the click and the first shots are:
Stuka:7.13 Il-2 6:46

The nerfs or even the complaint about the Il-2 rocket strafes was all bullshit.
You guys don't know how to give proper feedback.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2019, 18:37 PMCrecer13

Just catastrophic damage after a direct hit.
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