Let's give this a more defined role. At the moment it's literal garbage, even vs m20 due to crew disembark with zookas it fails to counter it. AEC 2 shots it. It even struggles to kill infantry before being pushed away by small arms. The only thing this is good for is M3/Jeep hunting, which is pathetic for a t2 unit.
I think this should be buffed considerably along with a price increase to 50 or so fuel, make it on par with AEC/Stuart to give Ost a reliable light vehicle.
222 deserves a buff
30 Mar 2019, 18:53 PM
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30 Mar 2019, 18:57 PM
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I was about to have a fit, but at least it came with a suggestion to both up the fuel cost as well as simply make it better.
50 fuel for something on par with the Stuart or AEC would be a little too cheap, though. And more worryingly -
The 222 is a major early game counter for Ost to take on WCs, Bren Carriers and M3s. Making it cost a whole lot more would quite possibly hamstring the Ost against these light vehicles, which the 222's gradual tweaks and redesigns were specifically designed to let it handle.
50 fuel for something on par with the Stuart or AEC would be a little too cheap, though. And more worryingly -
The 222 is a major early game counter for Ost to take on WCs, Bren Carriers and M3s. Making it cost a whole lot more would quite possibly hamstring the Ost against these light vehicles, which the 222's gradual tweaks and redesigns were specifically designed to let it handle.
30 Mar 2019, 19:19 PM
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Turning the 222 into a Luchs would probably make it worse. If you want 60 FU of light vehicles, build two of them or build a 222 and a 251.
30 Mar 2019, 19:27 PM
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If you want 60 FU of light vehicles, build two of them or build a 222 and a 251.
Funny thing, build two of them and they can actually take on an AEC or a Stuart together. Same performance and price that the OP suggests.
No need to buff the 222 on its own, that would be bad, as it is Ostheer's first response to Allied very light vehicles harassment (UC/M3/WC51) and needs to come on the field as soon as possible.
30 Mar 2019, 19:29 PM
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Funny thing, build two of them and they can actually take on an AEC or a Stuart together. Same performance and price that the OP suggests.
I have never thought about building 2 of them. Such a waste of fuel.
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30 Mar 2019, 19:31 PM
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Mar 2019, 19:36 PM
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Permanently Bannedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA-mYkTEQOU
You know there is a feature to show videos nicely on a site so it doesn't look like a bad offside link ?
To topic: So you've made a proof by made up YouTube video. Congratulations
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30 Mar 2019, 19:51 PM
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Words and numbers don't seem to reach you, so I'm trying moving pictures.
You've probably never heard of 444 strat, which is very reliable dual 222, 2 of them are enough to kill AEC, but something tells me you've got no micro to actually accomplish that.
A unit can't be good AT, AI and AA all at the same time, so its moderate at all of them.
Its really all you can get for measly 30 fuel.
You've probably never heard of 444 strat, which is very reliable dual 222, 2 of them are enough to kill AEC, but something tells me you've got no micro to actually accomplish that.
A unit can't be good AT, AI and AA all at the same time, so its moderate at all of them.
Its really all you can get for measly 30 fuel.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Mar 2019, 19:54 PM
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Permanently BannedWords and numbers don't seem to reach you, so I'm trying moving pictures.
You've probably never heard of 444 strat, which is very reliable dual 222, 2 of them are enough to kill AEC, but something tells me you've got no micro to actually accomplish that.
A unit can't be good AT, AI and AA all at the same time, so its moderate at all of them.
Its really all you can get for measly 30 fuel.
3 of them cost 90 fuel. T34 cost 80 fuel.
Both are AI/AT generalist.
666 cost more than 34. Yet that fucker wipes the floor with all of them.
At least I'm not doing everything in my power to pretend a good unit is bad.
30 Mar 2019, 20:08 PM
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3 of them cost 90 fuel. T34 cost 80 fuel.
Both are AI/AT generalist.
666 cost more than 34. Yet that fucker wipes the floor with all of them.
Twenty M3 Scout Cars cost 3800 MP 300 FU! But a single P4 (only 125 FU!) defeats all of them!
You don't really seem to get armour. Like, as a concept.
30 Mar 2019, 20:09 PM
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Twenty M3 Scout Cars cost 3800 MP 300 FU! But a single P4 (only 125 FU!) defeats all of them!
You don't really seem to get armour. Like, as a concept.
It's a fucking scoutcar. What would you expect it to do ? Counter tanks ?
Oh come on, you can do better
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30 Mar 2019, 20:10 PM
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It's a fucking scoutcar. What would you expect it to do ? Counter tanks ?
Oh come on, you can do better
222 Scout Car.
T-34/76 Medium Tank.
30 Mar 2019, 20:11 PM
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Let's give this a more defined role. At the moment it's literal garbage, even vs m20 due to crew disembark with zookas it fails to counter it. AEC 2 shots it. It even struggles to kill infantry before being pushed away by small arms. The only thing this is good for is M3/Jeep hunting, which is pathetic for a t2 unit.
I think this should be buffed considerably along with a price increase to 50 or so fuel, make it on par with AEC/Stuart to give Ost a reliable light vehicle.
666 cost more than 34. Yet that fucker wipes the floor with all of them.
It's a fucking scoutcar. What would you expect it to do ? Counter tanks ?
Oh come on, you can do better
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Mar 2019, 20:17 PM
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Permanently BannedTo be frank, 222 is a light tank, not scoutcar because it has a light tank crush, it's entity is bigger than T70 and it's main gun isn't coaxial hmg but a normal cannot that can, unreliably but still, penetrate (even medium) armor.
Once against you're just making things together so it suits you without getting the concept at all.
222 isn't a scout car. Deal with it
Once against you're just making things together so it suits you without getting the concept at all.
222 isn't a scout car. Deal with it
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30 Mar 2019, 20:17 PM
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To be frank, 222 is a light tank, not scoutcar because it has a light tank crusht
Psst, I'll share a secret with you:
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Mar 2019, 20:19 PM
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Psst, I'll share a secret with you:
Once against you're only grabbing part of my speech from my mouth.
A whole is more than a sum of its parts dear Katitof
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30 Mar 2019, 20:19 PM
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To be frank, 222 is a light tank, not scoutcar because it has a light tank crush, it's entity is bigger than T70 and it's main gun isn't coaxial hmg but a normal cannot that can, unreliably but still, penetrate (even medium) armor.
Once against you're just making things together so it suits you without getting the concept at all.
222 isn't a scout car. Deal with it
30 Mar 2019, 20:21 PM
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Permanently BannedThe name doesn't mean anything.
To be frank, PzKfW stands for PanzerKampfWagen which roughly translates into Armoured Battle Vehicle.
So, according to your navigation logic, PzKfW V Panther is but a 5th version of a Kubelwagen with armor skirts sent into battle
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30 Mar 2019, 20:24 PM
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Ostheer needs 222 to come out cheap and early and it shouldn't be buffed. If you need something to take out an AEC you get 2-3 of them. And I did not expect my video to be linked here lol
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Lady Xenarra: Does anyone else think that USF needs buffs? It feels like they’re on life support sometimes
01 Apr 2025, 02:36 AM
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Willy Pete: @Rosbone Ahh I missed that memo. I still think its a bad decision though. Adds frustration for players and isnt gonna make them that much money
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Rosbone: It is also good they left it free until after the free to play weekend. Points for that.
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Rosbone: But I agree, the cost to get a full decent Coh game pushing $115 US is not the best idea. Especially when it needs so much more work for casuals.
27 Mar 2025, 09:32 AM
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Rosbone: To be fair, it was a thank you to early fans right? They said it was not free for long and it would become a pay DLC at some point.
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Willy Pete: Re-releasing free DLC so they can charge new players money for it. Brilliant marketing strategy 
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Rosbone: Congrats to Relic. Looks like Coh3 has finally usurped Coh2 s the popular Coh. You smell terrific. 
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24 Mar 2025, 02:46 AM
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Nickbn: and again someone else replies. I mean come on guys. Give @adamírcz a chance
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone it's incredibly rude to speak on someone elses behalf, especially when a question is directly adressed to them. I understand your passion for the subject at hand but I want to hear from him.
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
Rosbone: @Nickbn No, I am just saying people should not be using any Relic owned forum since they have proven they ban anyone who says true things about Coh3.
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
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Nickbn: @Rosbone do you speak on his behalf? I didn't know. In that case keep us updated please.
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
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Rosbone: @Nickbn True except, the only people on the Relic Discord/Reddit/Steam are brain washed monkey zealots. They wont even understand what @adamírcz is talking about. Anyone else is banned.
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
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Nickbn: @adamírcz might be a better idea to voice this to relic directly than to voice it here, in a shoutbox of a nearly deade fansite #justsaying...
16 Mar 2025, 16:36 PM
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adamírcz: So, I just got a leaver penalty without even getting onto the loading screen because of the game disconnecting, bravo Relic
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
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Rosbone: It is an indicator of the very short sighted capitalist view that plagues any company where leadership does not understand the product.
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
Rosbone: They dont care about Coh3 or Coh in general. They are just trying to grab cash by ripping off the small user base they have.
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
Rosbone: It is clear they crapped out an unfinished game. And are now barely supporting it as they make new smaller games. Coh3 is stillborn. It will be meh for at least another 2-4 years. Meaning they killed the whole franchise instead of growing it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
Rosbone: If I did play coh3 and was mainly a skirmish player, I would be pissed and probably stop playing. And it has been like this since release. Why? I would not tell my friends to buy a game I am not even playing. Lost sales and angered users.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
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Rosbone: I am just saddened how Relic keeps hurting themselves by not fixing 5 minute things like menus. Why anger users with stuff that could be fixed in minutes???
13 Mar 2025, 19:50 PM
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Rosbone: I was wondering why people think I was raging. I think it was when I said "because coh3 sucks so bad". That was not my opinion. Just a general feel from top players/streamers. I dont play Coh3 and have NO opinion of it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:48 PM
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OKSpitfire: You can rage as often as you like btw, you usually manage to make it pretty funny.
12 Mar 2025, 11:18 AM
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Rosbone: So it was a systemic failure across multiple disciplines and check points.
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
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Rosbone: Knowing how companies work, I imagine a new hire making the menus. The API they are using is complicated and things were hard to figure out. But at some point QA or management should have addressed these things. Usually within 6 months of starting.
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
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Rosbone: @theekvn I dont hate Coh3 or Relic. I just dont understand how you work on Coh3 for like 7 years and the menu system is worse than if a Programming 101 student made it. Feel free to explain it to me.
12 Mar 2025, 04:07 AM
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theekvn: KT just need fuel debuf from 15% to 50%, Ele arc of fire- aim time improve and they are good to go
12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
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theekvn: and please Rosbone,I know you hate Coh3 to the bone due to your drama with relic, Still, Can you give a proper point of view instead of raging ?.
12 Mar 2025, 03:54 AM
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KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
07 Mar 2025, 19:14 PM
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OKSpitfire: I do like that they made the Stuka more expensive instead of nerfing it into the ground though. Found it pretty unsatisfying to use before that buff a while back....
06 Mar 2025, 16:35 PM
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aerafield: USF already is by far the shittiest faction in terms of countering blobbing and turtling, now they supposedly have one overtuned tool locked behind a BG and it's immediately a massive problem?
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Lady Xenarra: I think post-2.0 Whizbang buffs, the price is too low esp since the Stuka got nerfed in cost too. Speaking of which, how exactly is one supposed to successfully dive this Sherman in disguise? Med tank spam running into SSFs?
06 Mar 2025, 12:13 PM
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OKSpitfire: A powerful, doctrinal unit that outperforms stock stuff? Colour me shocked! 
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Lady Xenarra: WTB Whizzbang for DAK instead of Stuka, 5 fuel cheape, 60MP more expensive and next to impossible to dive. 
05 Mar 2025, 20:27 PM
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Rosbone: It is also hard to expect Relic to help Coh2 when they cant even make working menus in Coh3 yet, 2 years after release and at full price+ for DLCs. Thats like asking a fish to do calculus.
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Rosbone: But this last patch has made good progress for grabbing players. All we can hope is Coh3 gets to Coh2s quality level before everyone abandons the franchise. Its Relic so they will completely f*%k it up as usual. But its a hope/cope.
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