Let's give this a more defined role. At the moment it's literal garbage, even vs m20 due to crew disembark with zookas it fails to counter it. AEC 2 shots it. It even struggles to kill infantry before being pushed away by small arms. The only thing this is good for is M3/Jeep hunting, which is pathetic for a t2 unit.
I think this should be buffed considerably along with a price increase to 50 or so fuel, make it on par with AEC/Stuart to give Ost a reliable light vehicle.
222 deserves a buff
30 Mar 2019, 18:53 PM
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30 Mar 2019, 18:57 PM
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I was about to have a fit, but at least it came with a suggestion to both up the fuel cost as well as simply make it better.
50 fuel for something on par with the Stuart or AEC would be a little too cheap, though. And more worryingly -
The 222 is a major early game counter for Ost to take on WCs, Bren Carriers and M3s. Making it cost a whole lot more would quite possibly hamstring the Ost against these light vehicles, which the 222's gradual tweaks and redesigns were specifically designed to let it handle.
50 fuel for something on par with the Stuart or AEC would be a little too cheap, though. And more worryingly -
The 222 is a major early game counter for Ost to take on WCs, Bren Carriers and M3s. Making it cost a whole lot more would quite possibly hamstring the Ost against these light vehicles, which the 222's gradual tweaks and redesigns were specifically designed to let it handle.
30 Mar 2019, 19:19 PM
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Turning the 222 into a Luchs would probably make it worse. If you want 60 FU of light vehicles, build two of them or build a 222 and a 251.
30 Mar 2019, 19:27 PM
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If you want 60 FU of light vehicles, build two of them or build a 222 and a 251.
Funny thing, build two of them and they can actually take on an AEC or a Stuart together. Same performance and price that the OP suggests.
No need to buff the 222 on its own, that would be bad, as it is Ostheer's first response to Allied very light vehicles harassment (UC/M3/WC51) and needs to come on the field as soon as possible.
30 Mar 2019, 19:29 PM
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Funny thing, build two of them and they can actually take on an AEC or a Stuart together. Same performance and price that the OP suggests.
I have never thought about building 2 of them. Such a waste of fuel.
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30 Mar 2019, 19:31 PM
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Mar 2019, 19:36 PM
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Permanently Bannedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA-mYkTEQOU
You know there is a feature to show videos nicely on a site so it doesn't look like a bad offside link ?
To topic: So you've made a proof by made up YouTube video. Congratulations
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30 Mar 2019, 19:51 PM
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Words and numbers don't seem to reach you, so I'm trying moving pictures.
You've probably never heard of 444 strat, which is very reliable dual 222, 2 of them are enough to kill AEC, but something tells me you've got no micro to actually accomplish that.
A unit can't be good AT, AI and AA all at the same time, so its moderate at all of them.
Its really all you can get for measly 30 fuel.
You've probably never heard of 444 strat, which is very reliable dual 222, 2 of them are enough to kill AEC, but something tells me you've got no micro to actually accomplish that.
A unit can't be good AT, AI and AA all at the same time, so its moderate at all of them.
Its really all you can get for measly 30 fuel.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Mar 2019, 19:54 PM
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Permanently BannedWords and numbers don't seem to reach you, so I'm trying moving pictures.
You've probably never heard of 444 strat, which is very reliable dual 222, 2 of them are enough to kill AEC, but something tells me you've got no micro to actually accomplish that.
A unit can't be good AT, AI and AA all at the same time, so its moderate at all of them.
Its really all you can get for measly 30 fuel.
3 of them cost 90 fuel. T34 cost 80 fuel.
Both are AI/AT generalist.
666 cost more than 34. Yet that fucker wipes the floor with all of them.
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30 Mar 2019, 20:08 PM
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3 of them cost 90 fuel. T34 cost 80 fuel.
Both are AI/AT generalist.
666 cost more than 34. Yet that fucker wipes the floor with all of them.
Twenty M3 Scout Cars cost 3800 MP 300 FU! But a single P4 (only 125 FU!) defeats all of them!
You don't really seem to get armour. Like, as a concept.
30 Mar 2019, 20:09 PM
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Twenty M3 Scout Cars cost 3800 MP 300 FU! But a single P4 (only 125 FU!) defeats all of them!
You don't really seem to get armour. Like, as a concept.
It's a fucking scoutcar. What would you expect it to do ? Counter tanks ?
Oh come on, you can do better
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30 Mar 2019, 20:10 PM
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It's a fucking scoutcar. What would you expect it to do ? Counter tanks ?
Oh come on, you can do better
222 Scout Car.
T-34/76 Medium Tank.
30 Mar 2019, 20:11 PM
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Let's give this a more defined role. At the moment it's literal garbage, even vs m20 due to crew disembark with zookas it fails to counter it. AEC 2 shots it. It even struggles to kill infantry before being pushed away by small arms. The only thing this is good for is M3/Jeep hunting, which is pathetic for a t2 unit.
I think this should be buffed considerably along with a price increase to 50 or so fuel, make it on par with AEC/Stuart to give Ost a reliable light vehicle.
666 cost more than 34. Yet that fucker wipes the floor with all of them.
It's a fucking scoutcar. What would you expect it to do ? Counter tanks ?
Oh come on, you can do better
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Mar 2019, 20:17 PM
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Permanently BannedTo be frank, 222 is a light tank, not scoutcar because it has a light tank crush, it's entity is bigger than T70 and it's main gun isn't coaxial hmg but a normal cannot that can, unreliably but still, penetrate (even medium) armor.
Once against you're just making things together so it suits you without getting the concept at all.
222 isn't a scout car. Deal with it
Once against you're just making things together so it suits you without getting the concept at all.
222 isn't a scout car. Deal with it
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30 Mar 2019, 20:17 PM
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To be frank, 222 is a light tank, not scoutcar because it has a light tank crusht
Psst, I'll share a secret with you:
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
30 Mar 2019, 20:19 PM
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Psst, I'll share a secret with you:
Once against you're only grabbing part of my speech from my mouth.
A whole is more than a sum of its parts dear Katitof
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30 Mar 2019, 20:19 PM
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To be frank, 222 is a light tank, not scoutcar because it has a light tank crush, it's entity is bigger than T70 and it's main gun isn't coaxial hmg but a normal cannot that can, unreliably but still, penetrate (even medium) armor.
Once against you're just making things together so it suits you without getting the concept at all.
222 isn't a scout car. Deal with it
30 Mar 2019, 20:21 PM
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Permanently BannedThe name doesn't mean anything.
To be frank, PzKfW stands for PanzerKampfWagen which roughly translates into Armoured Battle Vehicle.
So, according to your navigation logic, PzKfW V Panther is but a 5th version of a Kubelwagen with armor skirts sent into battle
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30 Mar 2019, 20:24 PM
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Ostheer needs 222 to come out cheap and early and it shouldn't be buffed. If you need something to take out an AEC you get 2-3 of them. And I did not expect my video to be linked here lol
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