Volks Incendiary Grenade

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 02:27 AMFlyingsmonster

The fuse was added specifically because before that it was even worse than it is now, instant throw + no fuse = no way to dodge. You CAN dodge them, but you're still going to take a bit of damage, and the ability of the incendiary to deny cover is its strongest attribute. Volks can close in, throw a grenade and force the other squad to move exposing them to negative cover and damage to win the engagement.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 04:48 AMaddvaluejack

The incomplete dodging thing is same for every grenade. Even the top players can not doge HE grenade perfectly every time, they usually took reduced damage like 20% ~ 30%.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 23:48 PMFlyingsmonster

Fragmentation grenades are still anti-garrison though, the issue I have with Incendiary is the lack of response time you have to react to them, and they do a decent amount of damage from the explosion too, so it's not just about avoiding DoT.

Also, some arguments from the people that voted No would be nice, curious to know why you voted the way you voted.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 08:43 AMblvckdream

Incendiary grenade is needed for Volks because it´s the only way for OKW to remove a unit from cover. They don´t have a T0 mortar, they dont have a non-doctrinal flamer. It was a bit too good before but now it has a timer so IMO it´s fine.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 08:56 AMVipper

There are solution about that like:
moving incendiary grenades to SP at vet 0 (maybe cost down to 280-260 with 2 MP-40)
Replacing Stuka with MHT
Requiring an upgrade for VG that would lock out ST44.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 09:39 AMblvckdream

Locking Volks out of STG44s for flame nade access and removing Stuka would make OKW a trash tier faction. Both USF and UKF are good now, Soviets remain strong. There is just no need to nerf OKW in such a way.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 09:43 AMVipper

Imo the reason why Soviet/USF/UKF had to be buffed was that OKW where OP nerfing OKW is the way to start reducing the power level of early allied infatry.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 08:56 AMVipper

There are solution about that like:
moving incendiary grenades to SP at vet 0 (maybe cost down to 280-260 with 2 MP-40)
Replacing Stuka with MHT
Requiring an upgrade for VG that would lock out ST44.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 09:43 AMVipper

Imo the reason why Soviet/USF/UKF had to be buffed was that OKW where OP nerfing OKW is the way to start reducing the power level of early allied infatry.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 01:56 AMdistrofio

IMO it could be behind a assault upgrade, costing muni and unlocking molotov clones since flamenades coul be a doctrinal upgrade for feuerstrum

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 09:46 AMKatitof

You want that power level to be reduced, but never explain why should it be reduced.
Its not like current Ost that does more then just mindlessly spamming grens struggles against any of the 3 allied factions, so ost being weak is not an excuse anymore and increasing TTK level across the board will only lead to CQC units roflstomping everything as mainlines no longer would be able to effectively engage and soften them up from a distance, cover play would also be diminished as it wouldn't do much against these CQC units.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 09:39 AMblvckdream

Locking Volks out of STG44s for flame nade access and removing Stuka would make OKW a trash tier faction.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 12:27 PMVipper

And no you are wrong it is actually high damage output that diminishes cover play.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 20:45 PMSkysTheLimit

Why? Why would forcing them to spend a whopping 10-20 fuel and 100-150mp to force them to unlock stuff for their mainline make them a trash tier faction?

No one's locking anyone out of anything, were forcing some actual decision making on OKW...

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 21:17 PMFarlon

We can do that if the trucks become free to call in.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 21:27 PMKatitof

All 3 allied factions need to pay for their weapons and nades additionally, yet they don't get any free/discounter tiers because of that.

Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2019, 21:58 PMShadowLinkX37

They all start with significantly more fuel though.