Raketenwerfer

Jump back to quoted post4 Feb 2019, 02:28 AMLoopDloop

IMO if it got 60 range it'd have to lose cloak too. It's really frustrating when okw players make 2 raketens and just sit like halfway within range and 2 hit your tanks from camo with 0 counterplay. Even if they lost retreat this would probably still be a problem.

There's also the issue of it shooting the ground a lot.

So basically it'd just have to be a pak with a different skin.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2019, 03:08 AMTobis

No, it's unique and just needs tweaking.

Make it so you can't move while cloaked to remove the cheese, then make it more survivable to explosions. Maybe give the models 82 health so they don't get insta wiped by explosives so often.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2019, 19:10 PMJae For Jett

Well apparently the heavy cover on the AT guns doesn't work/is super inconsistent. So I assume that's not a possible avenue for the raketen.

Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2019, 12:04 PMLoren

At least the M42 has very bad stats for penetrations and damages; anti-tank services.

However, Raketenwerfer can destroy almost all the Allied tanks. Most allied tanks do not have a chance to ricochet to the raketenwerfer and suffer a very large damage.
Giving these raketenwerfer the ability to control infantry is really a perfect unit.
Remember the current Axis situation.
They are no longer disadvantageous to Allied forces in infantry battle.

Jump back to quoted post3 Feb 2019, 03:08 AMTobis

No, it's unique and just needs tweaking.

Make it so you can't move while cloaked to remove the cheese, then make it more survivable to explosions. Maybe give the models 82 health so they don't get insta wiped by explosives so often.

Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2019, 14:39 PMDonnieChan

then hf fighting off IS2 and Churchills with it

Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2019, 17:35 PMLoren

It sounds like a really biased statement.
Raketenwerfer has a penetrating power of 200/190/180 and 160 damage.
There is only one churchill heavy tank except the callin uni t, where there is a 1% probability that Raketenwerfer will not penetrate.
This obviously means that you can completely control the Allied medium tank.
This is much higher than the USF's 57mm AT gun penetration power of 150/140/130.

But think about m42.
It is clearly designed with light AT and has 140/110/90 penetrating power and 80 damage.
This is lower penetration than USF's Bazooka, and the same damage. With a penetration of 90, the probability of penetrating the stug-III is only 57%. And even that can only inflict 80 damage.
The m42 is apparently designed to stop the light-tank from the design, and that's why it has gained some anti-infantry capability.
However, Raketenwerfer has no shortage of anti-tank ability.
Imagine as you said, Raketenwerfer has Anti-heavy tank capability. this the right balance?

Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2019, 17:54 PMSuperHansFan

ZiS also has anti inf but can take on tigers and panther. I don't see how expensive AI abilities would be that bad if the cheese like stealth and retreat was removed

Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2019, 04:44 AMLoren

In return, Zis lost some of his AT ability. Zis has the slowest reload speed and the most expensive of all AT-guns. Also, ZiS' barrage skill is not free.
and you know that? ZiS has same penetrations to Raketenwerfer. (200/190/180)
If ZiS can counter heavy tanks, Raketenwerfer is also possible. well, actually do better.

Jump back to quoted post5 Feb 2019, 17:35 PMLoren

There is only one churchill heavy tank except the callin unit, where there is a 1% probability that Raketenwerfer will not penetrate.

Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2019, 04:44 AMLoren

and you know that? ZiS has same penetrations to Raketenwerfer. (200/190/180)

Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2019, 07:08 AMullumulu

thats a joke, right?
- rakten has less range than zis
- rakten dies when u look at it
- rakten set more shots into the ground
- rakten has less arc when i remember right

how can it be better vs heavy armor when it dies much much much faster than a zis and will mostly 1-2 shots less than the zis cause of its less range??

Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2019, 07:12 AMinsaneHoshi

Where did you learn how to do math?



No it does not. Perhaps when you figure out why they are not equal you will know you are out of your depth

Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2019, 07:41 AMLoren

than where did you learn your math?

they has exactly same penetrations/accuracy bro. see stats.
(penetrations 200/190/180 , accuracy 6%/4%)

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Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2019, 07:33 AMLoren

- can camo
- faster reload (almost 30% faster than ZiS)
- evasion bonus 15%

ZiS has delay before shot 0.125s + relosds 4.475s + after shot 1s = total 5.6s for reload.

raketen has 0s + 3.8s + 0.5s = total 4.3s for reload.

5.6s/4.3s = 1.30

30% more dps means quite many thinks, don't you think?

Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2019, 11:33 AMullumulu

really? u calc the vet 5 stats? From rakten? you will hardly seen a vet 5 rakten in most games....cause of diying like fly in no time most fights it sees.

Jump back to quoted post6 Feb 2019, 12:50 PMLoren

all of this calculations are 0 vet stats.