can we now fix soviet T2 please?

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 07:20 AMgbem

as of the moment soviet tier 2 play is difficult due to the awfulness of the maxim and cost inefficiency the conscript...

proposal:
reduction of cost of conscript to 210-220 mp reduce reinforce price to 17-18mp...
increase the suppression of the maxim to 50 cal levels but keep its awful damage and lack of AP rounds...
this means that although the cheaper ostruppen may scale better thanks to the MG42 upgrade... with cons being cheaper the maxim can now be buffed safely without resulting into all maxim armies... conscripts can serve as the meatshield and utility role for the maxim in offensives... and the maxim wont be dirt useless as an HMG...

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 08:30 AMDonnieChan

i tried that too, but it was pointless. no excperience, no understanding of the game. so frustrating...

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:08 PMStug life

hoohho hoohohoho https://imgur.com/VE15qPE cons are still the most cost efficient unit in the game thanks to their vet and being 6 man

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:08 PMStug life

hoohho hoohohoho https://imgur.com/VE15qPE cons are still the most cost efficient unit in the game thanks to their vet and being 6 man

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:08 PMStug life

hoohho hoohohoho https://imgur.com/VE15qPE cons are still the most cost efficient unit in the game thanks to their vet and being 6 man

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:15 PMgbem

Is that source even updated? Ive tested out the maxim vs mg42 in cheatmods and the maxim loses on all occasions

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:14 PMthedarkarmadillo

I think you mean "fully vetted cons are very effecient" because they sure as shit are not the most cost efficient unit in the game and only start becoming capable when fully vetted Or with a doctrinal weapon upgrade (when combined they are overperforming)

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:17 PMthedarkarmadillo

Maxim will win vs the mg42 in a building duel because the maxims Supression won't apply and it's damage will. It will simply outlast the mg42. Oddly all allied mgs are pretty good against garrisons.

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:15 PMgbem

Is that source even updated? Ive tested out the maxim vs mg42 in cheatmods and the maxim loses on all occasions

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 12:03 PMWiderstreit

1. Osttruppen don't get a free faust. You have to useless tech T1 for a early one (you need versus clown-car)

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 12:03 PMWiderstreit

2. trenches and sandbags are locked behind CP2. (revamp commander)

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 12:03 PMWiderstreit

3. Osttruppen are useless out of cover you can't attack effectively. Also, because of larger hit-box they are easier too kill by flamers and all close-range assaults.

Conscripts are more flexible in their job.


Maxim will win every cover-battle versus MG42 (without ability), you change suppression with dps.

Zis has no problem to pen Brummbär or Panther anymore.

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:25 PMVan Der Bolt

The maxim doesn't need DPS buff, and 0.0001 Sup buff will change nothing. Maybe increasing sup by 0.001 to direct and AOE sup will do

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:15 PMVan Der Bolt

This is DPS graph, and we're talking about suppression. MG42 has 0.012 and maxim has 0.0065, which is almost double less. So maxim is far worse in dealing with blobs.

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:18 PMStug life

they are efficient at what they are designed for, close range, and 80 more hp is nothing to scof at

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:25 PMVan Der Bolt

The maxim doesn't need DPS buff, and 0.0001 Sup buff will change nothing. Maybe increasing sup by 0.001 to direct and AOE sup will do

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:26 PMgbem

As i said it comes with tech... ok since you seem to be too mentally challenged to understand it lets remove the at nade sidetech from sov and tie it to t1/2... how about that?

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:48 PMKatitof

Not without ppsh, they are not. In fact, they are one of the most inefficient squads in game if not the most inefficient one without dedicating them a doctrine.

HP advantage is completely irrelevant when you go up against weapons that deal 50% or more DPS then yours.

Come on, were you hiding your head in the sand for last 3 years?

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:26 PMgbem

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Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 13:55 PMStug life

i always asked my self where were u and the other "axis get tech for free" guys when they gave the at nades to R E to brits i guess that's not free right ?

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 14:17 PMWiderstreit

- Cons have no negative multiplication outside of cover.
- Cons get Molotov to push Osttruppen or MGs out of cover, making them useless.
- PPsh with Commander (Osttruppen are also Commander-Units, so that example counts)

Cons are better.

MG42 stops shooting if suppressed, did you really tested it well? The only way MG42 would win is in green cover, Maxim without or yellow. And in urban maps that is a normal scenario.