Increase light jaegars price

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2018, 19:48 PMAugust1996

And done. Thats it. No more JLI blobs but if people still complain about a rare support unit beating a-move penals then they should just git gud. Mad cus bad.

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2018, 20:03 PMVipper

There is actually a away to test how many kills can be attributed to g43 using cheat mod and the health monitor.

When the there is critical kill the weapon will do damage above the normal 16.

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2018, 10:27 AMgbem

meanwhile jagers massacre penals at all ranges ABOVE 10... and its not like they can close the gap without getting EXTERMINATED



an argumentum ad hominem is an attempt to detract the point via baseless insults... you have not added one valid point on that specific argument and in older arguments insisted that they are balanced like the little wehraboo you are


which are both false as my tests proved... but you deny it because that sodium hypochlorite has damaged your brain


which proves you are a fucking wehraboo

and of course theres that dumb combined arms argument of yours thinking that any other faction`s combined arms can match the COST EFFICIENCY of JLI + volk + rakaten combo...

also its not like volks were already the most cost efficient line infantry pre patch... the addition of JLI broke everything...



1. democracy isnt always right

2. i didnt ignore points i cannot refute... im about to make a post addressing sanders by running further tests which i shall do shortly

3. when i did make a mistake i admit it and acknowledge it like the 6cp estimate

4. if you are suggesting conscripts against OKW...quite literally the worst line infantry ingame... then you are retarded

5. the balance between OKW wehr and SOV was solid pre patch... penals rolled OKW with the M3 early on but OKW could make a strong comeback later in the game with heavy volk STG play obers and MG-34 combined arms...



youve read the 221 post but you didnt even bother to read my comments... good work retard
https://www.coh2.org/topic/84803/okw-s-221-is-too-weak-for-its-20-fuel-cost

https://www.coh2.org/topic/84760/can-we-now-fix-soviet-t2-please/page/10

in both cases i supported a penal nerf... in fact im not a fan of sov T1 play myself... i was only FORCED to adapt sov T1 play after the (over)buffing of penals due to the december patch (2 years ago i think)... i entered COH 2 primarily as a wehrmacht and soviet support weapon player... my preferred tactic is lots of standoff weapons to keep you at a distance attempt to intercept any flanking moves and keep using my standoff weapons to whittle you down from a distance... very ost like indeed...

but ive also adopted the penal assault strategy quite well too... its just that JLI smash that playstyle by virtue of sheer cost efficiency...


lastly i can throw your argument back at you
It seems like you just want JLI to beat everything and you cant deal with trying to counter penals. All I gather from your posts, is you probably blob volks and QQ because it doesn't work against soviet T1 doctrines now. Get a grip fool.



and you clearly show your arrogance and lack of understanding beyond analysis of any data judging by your closed mindedness to any data beyond the limitations of your dumbass biases... it is probable that you are a simple highschool graduate that did not achieve any collage level or postgraduate level education as you clearly have not undergone or at least not understood the basic concept of research

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 09:05 AMNaOCl

Firstly, I have a bachelor of science, majoring in analytical chemistry and organic chemistry. I also have 4 statistic minors . I work in a research laboratory, studying chirality. I'm also currently undertaking my masters.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 09:05 AMNaOCl

I can assume by you trying to act of superior intellect whilst also being a soviet main, that you have a liberal arts degree and possibly coloured hair and a boyfriend.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 09:05 AMNaOCl

Secondly, I have 200 more games as soviets, than any other faction.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 09:05 AMNaOCl

Third, you may insinuate all you like about my skill, but I have previously challenged you to a 1v1 and you ignored it.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 05:22 AMgbem

hmm well im gonna be busy in the next few days soo i really cant conduct further testing... try using these parameters

JLI vs paths
JLI vs penals
paths vs penals
JLI vs conscripts
paths vs conscripts
2 conscript sandbag lengths (20m)
1 conscript sandbag lengths (10m)

make around 3x sandbags for each side to accomodate the squad sizes without having a man uncovered

measure crit kill time to kill and surviving infantry... that ways you have testdata aswell and not just me...

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 09:05 AMNaOCl

How come, JLI haven't been used or considered OP before the patch? They were the same except the sniper model was worse against cover and xp requirements were ~33% higher.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 09:05 AMNaOCl

Honestly, I think you're just bad and unable to adapt.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 10:45 AMgbem

i also have a bachelors in radiation technology and am taking a doctorate in medicine... were just about even so assuming bullshit like

is a false assumption



a fair point



as i mentioned to vipper ill be busy in the next few days soo i cant really do that but ill gladly do it once im finished






because scavenge doctrine sucks while overwatch does not..
also JLI got serious buffs along with an increase



honestly i dont think you understand the conceptual problem behind JLI... as i previously mentioned countering them is cost inefficient...

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 11:34 AMNaOCl

What serious buffs did JLI get?

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2018, 19:19 PMmiragefla

As suggested:

-Raise cost back to 280/300
-Increase cost on sniper rifle to around 50/60
-Possibly increase cooldown on ability recharge

I think everything else has mostly been said on the topic regarding the unit and want needs to be changed.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 16:58 PMTobis

Can we get the ambush accuracy bonus to not work versus retreating units with the g43?
At vet3 with ambush bonus the g43 has a 97% chance to hit retreating units at max range, still an 87% chance while retreating through cover. Compare to the actual snipers and the relatively cheap cost to leave this squad cloaked on retreat paths.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 16:58 PMTobis

Can we get the ambush accuracy bonus to not work versus retreating units with the g43?
At vet3 with ambush bonus the g43 has a 97% chance to hit retreating units at max range, still an 87% chance while retreating through cover. Compare to the actual snipers and the relatively cheap cost to leave this squad cloaked on retreat paths.

Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2019, 21:50 PMFlyingsmonster

They used to be 300mp. I don't understand why the price was discounted by a further 50mp. They were already a decent unit even before the buff, and now they're just absolutely broken in team games. Groups of 3+ Jaegers can be seen wiping MGs in a matter of seconds, and wiping basically any retreating unit near them due to the insane crit damage they do. Basically, if you see a group of Jaegers and you're outmanned you have no choice but to retreat right now or risk wiping a squad even if it was near full HP at the time of engagement.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2018, 11:49 AMgbem

-Camouflage is now available at Veterancy 0
-Now has First-Strike Bonuses; increases accuracy by 50% for 5 seconds.
-JLI G43 Sniper Rifle light and heavy cover accuracy modifiers from 0.5 to 0.9.
-JLI G43 Sniper Rifle garrison accuracy modifiers from 0.5 to 0.9

Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 02:51 AMNaOCl

-Camouflage is now available at Veterancy 0
UTILITY

-Now has First-Strike Bonuses; increases accuracy by 50% for 5 seconds.

It lasts 5 seconds, soft retreat then engage.

-JLI G43 Sniper Rifle light and heavy cover accuracy modifiers from 0.5 to 0.9.

Buff to a SINGLE GUN

-JLI G43 Sniper Rifle garrison accuracy modifiers from 0.5 to 0.9

Buff to a SINGLE GUN


So essentially, they got a worse sniper in the squad, that you cant deal with and are complaining about.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2018, 17:07 PMTobis

snip

Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 06:18 AMLeOverlord

-JLI G43 Sniper Rifle garrison accuracy modifiers from 0.5 to 0.9
-JLI G43 Sniper Rifle light and heavy cover accuracy modifiers from 0.5 to 0.9.

Can someone explain to me what are those? (I don't know what the term "cover accuracy modifier" is). Does it ignore cover?

Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 08:51 AMKatitof

It means their sniper rifle pretty much ignores green cover.

For comparison, StG Obers, who obliterate everything behind cover have 0.75 green cover accuracy modifier while 0.5 is standard for everyone else but real snipers.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 09:03 AMLeOverlord

Maybe they can turn it down to 0.5 for green cover and make it slightly deadlier on negative cover so that it becomes more punishing for units standing in the open. Unless that is considered broken too.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 09:08 AMKatitof

It already got 125% to hit on regular no cover at max range, red cover changes absolutely nothing for them.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 09:10 AMLeOverlord

I got another question : How does their Ambush and First Strike perform compared to British Commandos? Worse, even or better?

Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 02:51 AMNaOCl

-Camouflage is now available at Veterancy 0
UTILITY

-Now has First-Strike Bonuses; increases accuracy by 50% for 5 seconds.

It lasts 5 seconds, soft retreat then engage.

-JLI G43 Sniper Rifle light and heavy cover accuracy modifiers from 0.5 to 0.9.

Buff to a SINGLE GUN

-JLI G43 Sniper Rifle garrison accuracy modifiers from 0.5 to 0.9

Buff to a SINGLE GUN


So essentially, they got a worse sniper in the squad, that you cant deal with and are complaining about.