Brummbars, however, you're not getting for durability. You get them for reliable anti-infantry firepower. ...
Then all axis durability bonuses should be replaced with offensive capability because they are pointless once allied TD get some vet.
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Brummbars, however, you're not getting for durability. You get them for reliable anti-infantry firepower. ...
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Then all axis durability bonuses should be replaced with offensive capability because they are pointless once allied TD get some vet.
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Lets also remove all but 40 armor from all axis vehicles, because armor is pointless once allies build TDs too, k?
It might be mind blowing, but not every single axis unit is supposed to tank its hardcounters.
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Wait when was it nerfed or am I missing something here? I checked both the revamp commander patch and the USF tech mod and there is no mention of this.
Ok then lower the price accordingly to 40 fuel.
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The point he's making is that armour does matter. Vet 2 armour skirts don't make much of a difference to dedicated tank destroyers, but the Utility Car's armour skirts don't make much difference to a StuG.
However, those skirts help those tanks bounce T-34s, Cromwells and Shermans a lot, forcing the opponent to spend a lot of fuel on a tank destroyer that contributes nothing to the infantry battle that ultimately decides the game.
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Armor buff does not make ANY difference once the TD is vetted, actually a Vet 2 SU-85 has almost 100% chance to hit penetrate a vet 3 Brumbar (or Panther) at all ranges.
Medium tank can simply flank the low mobility Brumbar where they can easily penetrate the rear armor even if the Brumbar is vet 2.
If read my post I actually respond to claim by miragelfa:
"Brummbars, however, you're not getting for durability. You get them for reliable anti-infantry firepower. ..."
I am simply pointing out that if Brumabr is bought for durability the vet bonuses need to change.
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It doesn't make any difference to vetted Tank Destroyers.
They aren't the only armour penetrating guns on the field.
Reverse.
If consistently hitting the rear armour of well-microed late game tanks backed up by support weapons was easy, Relic wouldn't have needed to make the constant armour reductions they have over the years.
It's bought for that huge infantry obliterating main gun the attempt to nerf it in SBP created.
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Brummbar was nerfed because it was too effective against its intended counters. Its gun easily deals with AT guns and often even does damage to medium vehicles, helping AT units covering the brummbar kill any TDs or flanking tanks. The armour nerf makes it more vulnerable to AT guns and flanking tanks, meaning the ostheer player can't overextend the brummbar as much as he did before. Other than that it is still the same.
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ATG are not hat intended counter of Brumbar, the same way Pak are not the intended counter to KV-8s. It is the other way around both units counter ATG.
Flanking mediums had very little trouble penetrating the rear armor of Brumbars.
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I DO get Brum for durability. Tell me another anti-inf unit in the Ost roster that is more durable than the Brum.
ATG are not hat intended counter of Brumbar, the same way Pak are not the intended counter to KV-8s. It is the other way around both units counter ATG.
Flanking mediums had very little trouble penetrating the rear armor of Brumbars.
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LOL (sorry for that).
AT Guns are anti TANK guns, Brumbär is a TANK. So AT Guns should counter Brumbären.
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Tell me one allied anti-infantry (and anti-tank gun) tank that does what the Brumbär does pre and after nerf (and with the same durability, almost unkillable at vet2).
You can't, there is no such tank.
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LOL (sorry for that).
Brumbar is an assault gun not a Tank.
As for countering tank with ATGs tell that to KV-8 and Croc that can easily kill 2 paks or RW.
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LOL (sorry for that).
Brumbar is an assault gun not a Tank.
As for countering tank with ATGs tell that to KV-8 and Croc that can easily kill 2 paks or RW.
Don't get technical with me, its a tank with a specific purpose/role. You know what I mean.
KV8 and Croc can mess you up when you don't have any support, and these two cant be compared to the Brumbär. They cost almost twice as much a Brumbär
There's no allied tank that does what the Brum does because there isn't any allied anti-inf tank that is EXPENSIVE as a Brum. Do you know what late game advantage is? Something that Ost was supposed to have but now has finally been returned to Ost.
"Unkillable" lol what a joke. Get two mediums to flank it when it overextends. If the Brum just camps in one spot just get TD if there's no paks, or get double at gun. You won't kill it, but severely damaging it will put it out of the fight for a long time.
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LOL (sorry for that).
Brumbar is an assault gun not a Tank.
As for countering tank with ATGs tell that to KV-8 and Croc that can easily kill 2 paks or RW.
There's no allied tank that does what the Brum does because there isn't any allied anti-inf tank that is EXPENSIVE as a Brum. Do you know what late game advantage is? Something that Ost was supposed to have but now has finally been returned to Ost.
"Unkillable" lol what a joke. Get two mediums to flank it when it overextends. If the Brum just camps in one spot just get TD if there's no paks, or get double at gun. You won't kill it, but severely damaging it will put it out of the fight for a long time.
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Because in your strange weird world the Brumbär has no support and it is a sitting duck (microed be a noob). Common man, be real. A decent player will not have these problems and will do some serious damage.
I don't know yet if the nerfs are to much but i know for a fact that the Brumbär is a bit to good.
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