Let's speak about OST AT mine

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 11:13 AMThamor

You are replying to a flame ht 90 ammo then this topic is about 50 ammo vehicle mine and then you are adding a 100 ammo shrecks. Most here talking the effect of t70 and flame ht early game before first medium tanks start rolling to the field.

Yes you can get shrecks with pgren, but you can forget flame HT then or you can put tellers. It's always a choice with OST as it's so heavy in munitions use.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 10:34 AMVipper

"Spoil mines" describing getting a squad wipe from mines explosion is one way of putting it. So the issues that tellar are only trigger by vehicles?

Ok lets allow infantry to trigger tellars , but then pls do not complain about allied infantry being wiped out by mines.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 12:33 PMVipper

A nerf to the tellar mine would mean that Ostheer light vehicle counter will further weakened.

That would would result into a further buff to Soviet who are already one of the strongest factions or some re-balancing of LV play, either toning down T-70 or making Puma stock for Ostheer.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 10:31 AMferwiner

I wouldn't say that is the case. First, even if you only kill single infantry squads with your demos, there are still squads that cost around the same as most expensive LVs. And cheapest LVs also cost similar resources to cheapest infantry squads. Which means the two losses are comparable.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 12:33 PMVipper

A nerf to the tellar mine would mean that Ostheer light vehicle counter will further weakened.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 16:26 PMSkysTheLimit

Please explain specifically how they will be too weak if the teller reduces a t70 to 20hp. Possibly with an immobilized engine (for all lights as Armadillo suggested)

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 16:32 PMTobis

Because literally every serious player will go for a puma in 1v1, even more than they already do.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 16:41 PMSkysTheLimit

I don't think that's possible. Mobile defense has been meta for a while now while Ost has had it's insta-kill tellers.

And are more people are gonna use the Puma just because they need to 20hp more of damage to a standstill vehicle when it hits tellers? Is that really asking so much that people are going to make doctrine choices based on that?

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 17:41 PMTobis

Sure. You need to have something to finish it off. It's common to try to sneak a teller deep in enemy territory where they wont think to sweep. Sovs usually get flamers on the first engi to keep up presence and skip the sweeper until later. The instant that the t-70 hits that teller ost will pop a puma. Better than trying to throw all your grens onto one side of the map, let alone bring a pak up.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 17:48 PMthedarkarmadillo

222 deals exactly 20 damage per shot with 100%chance to pen the rear and 50% Chance to pen the front of a T70 so I mean there's THAT... Also in the preview the puma actually requires a small degree of teching so realistically they would be comparable.

If the JT and elefant got nerfed so they couldn't 2 tap tanks why is it OK for the teller to OHK them withiut even being a super late super expensive super heavy? Some design consistency would be nice....

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 17:51 PMTobis

Because sweepers don't make tanks immune to JT shots.

How often are you honestly losing your t-70s and stuarts to tellers? It's more about the threat of a teller to good players than actually hitting one.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 00:06 AMferwiner

having a sweeper makes you completely teller-proof

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 16:26 PMSkysTheLimit

"Around the same"??? What squad costs 75 fuel? Or any fuel for that matter?

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 11:11 AMKatitof

And which light vehicle requires more then 2 volleys(aka 8 seconds) from that to be killed

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 19:12 PMferwiner

With such conversion, there are only a few vehicles that will slightly pass squads like obers in their cost.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 17:41 PMTobis

Sure. You need to have something to finish it off.

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 21:17 PMSkysTheLimit

"With my arbitrary conversion, very few vehicles will pass one of the most expensive squads in the game"

Fuel is map control dependant. Manpower isn't. Suggesting that the conversion is as simple as doubling the number of fuel is just silly.

Sure you can't increase your manpower income. Your oponnent also can't do anything to decrease it, short of choosing not to kill your units

Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2018, 22:38 PMferwiner

You can't really say one is more expensive or the other, like you would with infantry vs mediums or heavies. Which means it is similar.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2018, 02:21 AMthedarkarmadillo

Given that we have the ability to convert manpower into fuel in the OST resources dropwe can determine that the going rate for manpower to fuel is 200mp=50 this means that 1 fuel is about 4mp.

Edit: cheapest LV I can think of its the clown car, it's fuel cost is worth ~60mp by this math. That's the difference between a con squad and a penal squad in power