Let's speak about OST AT mine

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 14:51 PMNot

Trip wires are situational, as well as cheap 7 muni mines being locked in a shittie commander.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 14:51 PMNot

Trip wires are situational, as well as cheap 7 muni mines being locked in a shittie commander.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 14:43 PMzerocoh

BOTH ost mines are frigging broken, I have been saying this for years now.

Tellers are 50 munis and one shot vehicles (even mediums since they lose half their health meaning that anything can finish them off really fast)
S-mines costs 15 (FIFTEEN) for 4 mines that deals massive damage to squads and potentially wiping them. Not only that they are planted super fast and cover a big space, and trying to defuse these mines can potentially wipe your infantry since one mortar or something will set all mines off killing your engies.

Also, Teller mines STILL wipes infantry, I lost a game last week as USF because a 222 hit a teller wiping 2 rifleman that were flanking a MG, they are basically demo-charges with no triggers.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 14:50 PMStug life

i said 6 men GREEN as the same stats cuase that's what he wants, the teller mine but without the draw back of not having a light tank

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 15:01 PMKatitof

I wouldn't mind it if they had weapon upgrades locked behind doctrine, rifle nade took 15 seconds to launch and they had only 60% of current DPS.

Also, you really are making some crazy logical fallancies here since the two are unrelated in the slightest way. I do agree that nothing that costs 50 fuel or more should be OHK'd by a mine, maybe US AA HT being exception.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 15:01 PMzerocoh

"b-b-but MUH SIGNS!!!"

I don't remember infantry giving you sound warnings or getting around them when they are retreating...
Also, when you play at the lowest setting (which a lot of people do since performance is shit) those signs are almost impossible to spot. and the mines covers a HUGE space, you can lock down most 1v1 maps with 15 munis but ooohh the signs! they are sooo bad... at least in vcoh you could kill mines with small arms but in coh2 they are immune for some reason.

also, WM plant mines SO FUCKING FAST, it makes no sense. 3 seconds for s-mines and 8 seconds for tellers. meanwhile normal mines take 10 seconds and m20 takes 12.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 17:23 PMferwiner

The difference between old demo and teller is that you need to spot the demo to defuse it. In case of teller, you can just drive over it if you have sweeper nearby. That means you don't have to follow the sweeper at all times with the camera to be safe.

That said, I would definitely prefer to have old demo back. It wasn't as bad as people made it look like. And in fact, now that you can only use if by hiding it behind a building, it is much more cheesy than before. It had legitimate uses before. Now it has only cheesy ones.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 17:31 PMStug life

maybe just restrict it to cover ? or be visible when it's out of cover (this while still not being able to put it on caps as that is cancer)

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 17:46 PMVipper

Demolition charges and Tellar mines are two completely separated issues.

I would suggested that anyone who want to debate restoring demo to their old glory to start a thread about that.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 20:09 PMKatitof

Do you believe there should exist zero player input abilities that delete instantly expensive units?

Yes.

or

No.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 20:09 PMKatitof

Do you believe there should exist zero player input abilities that delete instantly expensive units?

Yes.

or

No.

Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2018, 21:31 PMVipper

You mean like 2 soviet/ukf mines placed one next to other killing a luch or Puma?
or
you mean like a mine and demo charge killing a Panther as they used to do?

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 21:53 PMTobis

You can always sweep for your one light vehicle. You can't always sweep for your 8 infantry squads.

Jump back to quoted post30 Oct 2018, 23:17 PMTobis

My point is the demo was a much bigger deal, they are not on the same level of cancer.

I'd like to see the ohk removed from teller if they adjust the LV meta. Right now in 1v1 LVs are king, ostheer goes mobile defense for a puma in 9/10 games. Soviets go for a t70 in every single matchup. Nerfing the ohk on the teller would make even more players rush for mobile defense puma. It would have a negative impact on the meta. It's kinda cheesy but the meta right now requires it.

The t70 and flame ht need to be less effective against retreating units. Once that is done tellers can lose the OHK.