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I can't even imagine how incredibly overpowered that would be.
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Sorry for the double reply,
But on a serious note, what if conscripts got the penal PTRS package, and Penals(please rename HERO STRELKOVY) Got a weapon upgrade, like the dp-27 to go with svt, but could fire on the move and was locked to tier?
or if not, the real answer to conscripts not being strong enough, is more conscripts.
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Sorry for the double reply,
But on a serious note, what if conscripts got the penal PTRS package, and Penals(please rename HERO STRELKOVY) Got a weapon upgrade, like the dp-27 to go with svt, but could fire on the move and was locked to tier?
or if not, the real answer to conscripts not being strong enough, is more conscripts.
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Sorry..than one pls explain me why volks gets schreck nerf (delete) when now all other mainlain infatery from allies get the same abilty: blobb it with some handheld AT and run arround and deal with all targets.
Why was it to op on volks..while all other allies get the same (even better) possibilty?
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I think you might be mistaken, sturmpioner has panzershrek, volksgrenadier has panzerfaust.
You cant really blob sturmpioner, they have too much reinforce.
*edit* also, Shrecks go BOOM, PTRS dont.
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It is funny to see how russians still have problems with flavour of Soviet faction, namely - conscripts and penals instead of normal soldiers like other nations have. All these years since outrage on game launch.
On topic - is it only me who is tired of lazy upgrades that have no alternative AND give no downsides?
All this stuff about giving DP-28 to Conscripts coming up all the time. Don't you feel like it would be... boring?
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Why was it to op on volks..while all other allies get the same (even better) possibilty?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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*clears throat*
-much cheaper, easily spammable infantry
-faction that tends to float buttload of menpower and munition
-very cheap team weapons adding even more to the above
-sacrificing very little AI DPS on squads with solid base DPS at long range
-low upkeep and reinforce costs
-very high self sustain from vet3 onward
-vastly superior weapon with 50% greater damage and penetration then allied counterparts targetting weaker tanks in regards to armor
-not gated by additional menpower and fuel costs which weren't tied to tech directly
-doesn't have to go back to base or even be in own territory to upgrade
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I'd argue about it, but the main point in this to me (to which I agree) is that Shreks were just more powerful, but were used vs less armored tanks. They had better pen, better dmg, a little less accuracy, but their DPS and, more important, burst damage was far better
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Let me explain how this has worked so far. People complained that Soviet always went for maxims, so they decided to buff Penals, but then they had to buff Guards, but now they have to buff Shock and now you want to buff conscripts. Then will have to buff the maxim again because nobody is using it...and so on.
Buffing a units to make it more attractive is simply the wrong way to about it, there is power level that is good and units should not exceed that power level. Units should have different roles so people choose them for what they bring to the table and not because they are OP.
Adding PPsh to conscripts is simply not "the only realistic" solution. It is actually a bad solution.
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*clears throat*
-much cheaper, easily spammable infantry
-faction that tends to float buttload of menpower and munition
-very cheap team weapons adding even more to the above
-sacrificing very little AI DPS on squads with solid base DPS at long range
-low upkeep and reinforce costs
-very high self sustain from vet3 onward
-vastly superior weapon with 50% greater damage and penetration then allied counterparts targetting weaker tanks in regards to armor
-not gated by additional menpower and fuel costs which weren't tied to tech directly
-doesn't have to go back to base or even be in own territory to upgrade
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Than...once more...why remove schrecks instead nerf them to the same lvl from zooks?
2 zooks > 1 schreck
i answer to the souggestion that cons can gte ptrs without commander...which would result in the same OPness which volks was.. even worse
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OKW have the most AT options in game... They have a Rak in t0, a Shrek for sturms, a puma in mech truck, a jp4 and a panther. You have AT for whatever flavor you want and whatever fuel budget you have. Use your camo raks against TDs that they are guaranteed to pen, not the heaviest armour the allies have...
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Creative idea here:
Scope for a Cons Mosin - unlocks an ability to snipe a soldier for small ammo fee (CoH1 brits had this thing)
Alternatives:
Or Sawed-Off Mosins, although the overlap with PPSHs would be huge
BTW Am I the only one who would take current conscripts over penals in most situations. One way or another, its always the flamers, snipers, guards and T70s doing vast majority of all the damage.
So you might as well shield them with a relatively cheap infantry that has weaker but more reliable snares combined with sprint
And dont even get me started on how terrible the Penals PTRS are
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