The MG42 needs to be looked, the allies mg's are dog shit.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 02:19 AMMittens

I mean it suppresses in 1 volley making it hard to move out of its LOS and then pens on third volley. If you don't know its there you its practically an insta-retreat for anyone in its line of fire.

Not to mention it does a decent amount of damage, costs relatively cheap and is in t0

I'm all for smoke and flank but its field of fire as well makes it hard to move around let alone smoke as it fires outside of its arc due to the arc actually being further forward at the tip of the barrel.

I'd suggest a suppression tone down to reduce the insta pen but keep the long term pin idea in place. Its just so hard to leave it arc.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2018, 05:38 AMDangerous-Cloth

Sure. Then buff grens early game. If not, leave mg42 as it is.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jun 2018, 16:46 PMEsxile

Grens are not glass cannon.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 00:13 AMFiresparks

they are the least durable line infantry in the game. Sure they are at least more durable than the support weapon but that's a low bar.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 00:13 AMFiresparks

they are the least durable line infantry in the game. Sure they are at least more durable than the support weapon but that's a low bar.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 06:14 AMEsxile

Allied wiping potential have been constantly erased in the last patches, today you really need to be lucky, or to have bad luck, to get your gren squad wiped with a single shot.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 06:16 AMDangerous-Cloth

Yeah, now they don't always die with one shot, but regularly get two shotted. Seemslegit.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 06:14 AMEsxile

They have the same amount of HP than any other line infantry, so tell me how could they be less durable. Allied wiping potential have been constantly erased in the last patches, today you really need to be lucky, or to have bad luck, to get your gren squad wiped with a single shot.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 08:50 AMFelixTHM

4 man squads have 320hp. 6 man squads have 480hp.

Given that you need to retreat with about 80hp left (2 half health models) so the squad isn't wiped, Gren squads have to retreat after taking 240 damage, while the similarly priced con squad can take about 400 damage.

Cons do have a target size of 1.087 I think, but that's not even 10% increased RA in exchange for 50% more health.

Grens have great damage output but have the worst survivability amongst mainline squads - pretty much everyone who plays this game regularly can agree on that.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 09:39 AMEsxile

That's why Cons beat Gren at all ranges all the game long.

All models have 80hp and are exposed to the same wipe potential. Allied AI units have been methodically nerfed to reduce the wiping potential of their AI units. Today you really need bad luck to see your gren squad being wiped by anything else than a AVRE or a KATY close range.
Conclusion = they are not glass cannon.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 08:50 AMFelixTHM

4 man squads have 320hp. 6 man squads have 480hp.

Given that you need to retreat with about 80hp left (2 half health models) so the squad isn't wiped, Gren squads have to retreat after taking 240 damage, while the similarly priced con squad can take about 400 damage.

Cons do have a target size of 1.087 I think, but that's not even 10% increased RA in exchange for 50% more health.

Grens have great damage output but have the worst survivability amongst mainline squads - pretty much everyone who plays this game regularly can agree on that.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 11:27 AMKatitof

Cons are 1.03

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 10:14 AMblvckdream

You need to check the stats.

Con target size is 1.09

Gren target size is 0.91

So it´s rougly 20% difference in RA.

Plus Grens deal more damage than Cons. Which balances out the lack of HP. Which makes saying Grens are less durable than Cons because they have less total HP wrong.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 14:10 PMFelixTHM

It's still correct. 20% difference in RA doesn't magically make up for 50% more hp. RA doesn't help against explosives or flame either. You're just disagreeing to be disagreeable, which is what you always do. I already established upfront that Grens have better damage output, which is why they're described as glass cannon. Glass = less durability Cannon = better offense

Grens have more firepower but are less durable overall. I'm not claiming one is better than the other.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 08:50 AMFelixTHM

Cons do have a target size of 1.087 I think, but that's not even 10% increased RA in exchange for 50% more health.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 16:26 PMShadowLinkX37

Are people comparing 4 men squad survivability vs 6 men squad survivability......? That seems pretty straightforward to me.....

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2018, 17:32 PMSkysTheLimit

Don't even get why you used that many maxims. Feels like you could've won just fine with a few less mgs and a few more cons...

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2018, 16:07 PMSkysTheLimit

Do grens and volks not have snares? If their "spamming" maxims they will not have too many cons. Would love to see a replay of a recent maxim spam used against you