Remove the T34/76 model variant with the fuel tanks

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 16:10 PMSander93

How is an entirely different turret (and even a bigger gun) less obvious than the gun being the only difference between a regular P4 and a CP4? The T34-85 even has different sounds.

Other mediums/vehicles are a fair comparison. It's just down to personal knowledge to distinguish units based on vehicle model details.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 16:43 PMSander93

Seriously like how many visual clues do you need

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 15:48 PMShadowLinkX37

I don't understand why people are comparing other mediums to this. There are FAR larger changes between for example, the snub nose p4 and long barrel p4. The command p4 not only has 1/4 the length of the barrel but also a different icon that is much easier identified. The t34 differences are far less obvious as seen in OP. The barrel is slightly longer and the chasis is slightly different. It is easily the most similar 2 tanks you can field simultainiously.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 16:43 PMSander93

Seriously like how many visual clues do you need

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 14:06 PMOsinyagov

Strongly disagree! Their outward looks different enough to recognise, which T-34 you face on the battlefield. Here is two main differents:

1. Different turret (most obvious one)
2. T-34 has square fuel tanks on the rear, T-34-85 has round smoke generator devices on the rear.

In that case, Shermans need to get different hulls too, because now:

- Soviet M4A2(76)
- American M4A3
- American M4A3(105)
- American M4A3(76)

have absolutely same hulls. Their differences (except M4A3(105) cause of dipper) only in turret (like for T-34 and T-34-85).

Also M4A3(76), M4A2(76) and M4A3(76)HVSS have very common outward.

• Stuart versus Scott
  
• 250 Halftrack versus 250 Mortar Halftrack
  
• OST Panzer IV versus OKW Panzer IV
  
• Panzer IV versus Command Panzer IV
  
• StuG E versus StuG G
  
• Four different Sherman variants
  

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 14:06 PMOsinyagov

Strongly disagree! Their outward looks different enough to recognise, which T-34 you face on the battlefield. Here is two main differents:

1. Different turret (most obvious one)
2. T-34 has square fuel tanks on the rear, T-34-85 has round smoke generator devices on the rear.

In that case, Shermans need to get different hulls too, because now:

- Soviet M4A2(76)
- American M4A3
- American M4A3(105)
- American M4A3(76)

have absolutely same hulls. Their differences (except M4A3(105) cause of dipper) only in turret (like for T-34 and T-34-85).

Also M4A3(76), M4A2(76) and M4A3(76)HVSS have very common outward.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 19:07 PMSander93

Unit recognition is part of mastering the game. The turrets are easy to distinguish instantly once you know what to look for.

Let's put them in another perspective. Are you seriously having trouble seeing the huge difference in turret size and shape? The completely different gun mantlet area?
Not to mention a distinct difference in engine noise and gun sound.

For the rest of us, this is about EASE when differentiating between the 2. Maxim spam back in the day wasn't undefeatable, but the EASE vs effectivness was outrageous between the 2 players.

Futhermore, what are we sacrificing by making the t34 variants MORE distinguishable? I highly doubt replayability is sky rocketing because of a slightly larger turret and barrel.

This is a similar concept to parepheral vision, which only picks up basic colors and shapes, as opposed to tunnel vision which can discern more.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 20:51 PMShadowLinkX37

I'm saying it isn't 100000000000000% apparent, INSTANTLY. Units should not confuse people because they look just like another unit. Why don't we just make p4s look just like panthers and then keep the p4 stats. I'm sure people won't complain about that.

You also seemed to completely skip reading this

The point is to be able to differentiate between different units without overall confusion. I have never seen ANYONE complain about shermans being indistinguishable. Point those people out to me if you see one.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 21:43 PMTobis

The difference between the t34s and the shermans is that there are multiple versions of the same t34-76. You can have all three versions of the same looking tank on screen at the same time, from the same player, and when they are moving it is difficult to keep track of which is the more dangerous target.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2018, 20:51 PMShadowLinkX37

I'm saying it isn't 100000000000000% apparent, INSTANTLY. Units should not confuse people because they look just like another unit. Why don't we just make p4s look just like panthers and then keep the p4 stats. I'm sure people won't complain about that.

You also seemed to completely skip reading this

The point is to be able to differentiate between different units without overall confusion. I have never seen ANYONE complain about shermans being indistinguishable. Point those people out to me if you see one.