Give me a reason why KV8 is OP?

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 03:02 AMEkko Tek

On the topic, I think the KV8 is a little too good atm and needs some adjusting but whenever people post stories like these...they just smack of hyperbole and don't do anything to support balance discussions. Post a replay instead of sharing stories. Far too often players complaining about balance exaggerate A LOT in their game anecdotes.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 05:54 AMc r u C e

In your previous post you cried that it destroy's infantry too quickly and now you cry because it's armor is too strong,seriously make up your mind...
It's a Heavy Tank,so the armor reduction is out of the question,why would you use your infantry on the best Anti-Infantry unit in the game,logic much?....maybe damage reduction would be more relevant/appealing

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 09:50 AMalexshiro

It really isn't hyperbole. It bounces Panzer IV shots like crazy, and the 45 mm hurts a Panzer more than the 75 hurts the KV-8, I said this a couple pages back, do you believe me now?

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 11:04 AMalexshiro

160*0.46/6/960=0.0128

55*0.31/3.3/640=0.008

I think I might have put that formula better...

960/160/0.46*6=78

640/55/0.31*3.3=124

I got that it takes over a full minute of shooting for a PZIV to kill a KV-8, consistent with my experience and that KV-8 is about half as good at killing PzIV as vice versa, not really a good idea for a KV-8 to go toe to toe but it can survive and soften up a PZIV until a SU-85 arrives.

Please correct my math if it's wrong, but from that I'd say the armor is an issue too. In beta I remember blowing up KV-8s like nothing (maybe it was rng luck?) so their flame DPS wasn't much of an issue if it was a trade of 1 gren squad before KV-8 got intercepted and blown up, but now I can't kill the damn things.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 13:58 PMOZtheWiZARD

Is this calculation done for attacking frontal armour? If it is then you're doing it wrong. KV-8 is a heavy tank with a survivalibity of a heavy tank. Always flank it.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 15:21 PMOZtheWiZARD

KV-8 flanked by PzIV will go down in 4 shots? Something like that.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 17:43 PM=][=mmortal

kv-8 flanked by two p4s didnt go down in about 30 seconds of shooting, see the above replay. kv8s armor is very heavy. I had an easier time shooting the is2

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 18:39 PMEndeav

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Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 18:39 PMEndeav

For some reason one of the IV's continually missed at that range; probably due to vehicle movement. A lot of those shots hit the frontal side armor (weird term, but front armor supposedly covers half the model, and rear armor the other half, like in the picture that wooof posted). I don't think the rear armor ever bounced a hit, but the frontal armor and the side frontal armor did.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 03:02 AMEkko Tek

On the topic, I think the KV8 is a little too good atm and needs some adjusting but whenever people post stories like these...they just smack of hyperbole and don't do anything to support balance discussions. Post a replay instead of sharing stories. Far too often players complaining about balance exaggerate A LOT in their game anecdotes.

wooof:
back on topic, i talked to pqumsieh about kv8 a little.... he said the unit is designed to cause shock by killing quickly though.

Jump back to quoted post14 Sep 2013, 22:16 PMVonMecha

Pz4s are not tank destroyers so you should never expect them to be able to kill a kv8. All you need to kill a kv 8 is is 2 panthers or one elephant or 22 shrek squads or 45 paks. And its dead easy.

Jump back to quoted post15 Sep 2013, 15:51 PMTheodosios

Are you joking? Until I get 2 Panthers or one Elephant (or 22 shrek squads or 45 paks LOL) to counter one, ONE SINGLE unit the game is already lost. Such a braindead post...

Jump back to quoted post15 Sep 2013, 15:51 PMTheodosios

Are you joking? Until I get 2 Panthers or one Elephant (or 22 shrek squads or 45 paks LOL) to counter one, ONE SINGLE unit the game is already lost. Such a braindead post...