OKW starting unit change
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I wonder if giving them another starting unit such as a kubel (possibly giving kubel utility ability) would be a good idea, and then some improvements to their mid game type units to compensate.
Arguably this would greatly improve conscripts type builds for soviets in this match up as well without having to deal with sturms. It would also make the OKW less dependant on the sturms first engagement, and a mid game boost would improve OKW's match up against UKF and USF.
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Sturm aren't FREE but they are pretty strong. Swapping them out tho... I don't like it. It would really impact timings and shit if you swap them. They are already counterable by anything but combat engies as long as you don't get jumped so having them come later when there is no chance they can get the jump on anything would really kill the unit I think.
Not sure what you mean by its not free.
Them being counter-able is really the point here, they're devastating in theory on the right map and if you catch someone off guard, but in general they're very counter-able and it seems to me a lot of OKW nerfs and balancing is balanced around sturm opener potential's impact on OKW early game. On the other hand they quickly become obsolete and OKW mid game could use a boost.
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Change the map, not the faction.
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Not sure what you mean by its not free.
IIRC all factions start with the same MP - their starting units cost.
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IIRC all factions start with the same MP - their starting units cost.
Nop that's a lie.
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IIRC all factions start with the same MP - their starting units cost.
That is incorrect.
OKW gets extra 100mp.
Ost gets extra 60mp.
UKF gets extra 50 or 40mp.
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Im unsure about the general performance of OKW in the midgame, i dont think people fully adjusted to the new patch so things will probably change quite a bit.
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Currently Sturmpioneers are a high risk high reward unit, but once the enemy has vetted squads or elite infantry the risk becomes higher than the possible reward. Except for a few maps that favor CQC engagements or ambushes, their combat effectiveness drops drastically mid game.
Another solution would be to switch Obers to the mechanized HQ (Stuka to T4). I personally feel that once OKW starts to lose the infantry engagements in the mid game (against vetted Penals, Guards, Airborne, Rangers, etc.) they can have a very hard time recuperating because their own elite infantry hits the field too late.
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That is incorrect.
OKW gets extra 100mp.
Ost gets extra 60mp.
UKF gets extra 50 or 40mp.
No love for USF and Solvs
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A change that would keep most of this fixed would be to keep Sturmpios the same but scale their mid and late game use.
To do this, reducing their weapons to early mp40s might not be a bad idea with an STG upgrade. We could then change their vet higher up the line (vet 3+) to allow them to scale.
As it stands however, Sturmpios can be a devastating unit and can hold off two squads in the early game, throw in a kubla and a volks squad and OKW will have the map captured due to how combat effective they are and how fast they can cap the map.
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That is incorrect.
OKW gets extra 100mp.
Ost gets extra 60mp.
UKF gets extra 50 or 40mp.
So sturms set okw back 30mp more than CE set the Soviet back at the start of the game. Gosh I love the balance team...
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