no Counter for OKW and Wehrmacht Tank destroyers

PW still suppresses infantry.

Yeah, I've checked it, AoE got nerfs instead of suppression being removed.

Or maybe its a premium tier with premium cost and units above T4 of literally any other faction with exclusively brits having a rough equivalent in form of hammer/anvil tech side tech....
Sov T4 is not on the same power level as ost T4. Same for USF, OKW is closest thanks to panther alone, but all of OKW tiers are 0,5 more potent then equivalents of other factions.

So now suddenly Hammer/Anvil is a side tech?

What ever you want to call Ostheer T4 it simply not cost efficient and that is why most people go for Tigers.

So now suddenly Hammer/Anvil is a side tech?

What ever you want to call Ostheer T4 it simply not cost efficient and that is why most people go for Tigers.

Do tech in CoH2 permanently disable other tiers once you get it?

[]Yes
[]No

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And I have said ost T4 is premium, not cost efficient or not.
As I have said about 50 times already and will say it 51st, its NOT something you will see or even want in every singular game of 1v1, but its extremely frequent sight in most 2v2 games.

Do tech in CoH2 permanently disable other tiers once you get it?

[]Yes
[]No

Mark correct answer with cross.

And I have said ost T4 is premium, not cost efficient or not.
As I have said about 50 times already and will say it 51st, its NOT something you will see or even want in every singular game of 1v1, but its extremely frequent sight in most 2v2 games.

Vast majority of the stuff you mentioned ARE upgrades, even upgrades that prevent you from getting alternatives.

You are trying waaaaaay to hard to prove a point that does not exist there, just to perceive yourself as correct.

Guess what, you are not.

Anvil and hammer ARE exclusive upgrade bundles to UKF T3, NOT a tech.

Mortar pit and 17 pounder are no different then any other unit you get access to with tech.

You are simply contradicting yourself. When ever it suits you Hammer/Anvil is tech and then suddenly it is not.

The fact remains that Hammer/Anvil is worth the cost even if ones does not build a Comet/Churchill while T4 is not worth it in most cases.

The rest is jut you arguing semantics to create the impression that Ostheer have an advantage with their "premium" T4.

And on the matter of rocket artillery katyusha is simply more cost efficient than PW.

I don't think they're bad, but rather their tier 3 is so good they don't really need to.

How often did soviet players go tier 4 when t-34 was still in tier 3?

In team games, ost goes tier 4 quite regularly because those matches can take much longer. 1v1 I find rarely goes long enough for it.

Tier 3 is not that good. It simply has the Stug that is OP.

Take both of the posts you have quoted, keep rereading them - veeeeery slowly until the point where you no longer see any contradiction.

Take both of the posts you have quoted, keep rereading them - veeeeery slowly until the point where you no longer see any contradiction.

Or maybe its a premium tier with premium cost and units above T4 of literally any other faction with exclusively brits having a rough equivalent in form of hammer/anvil tech side tech....

Anvil and hammer ARE exclusive upgrade bundles to UKF T3, NOT a tech.

Try writing "veeeeery slowly" you will then avoid writing contradicting things.

You are simply contradicting yourself. When ever it suits you Hammer/Anvil is tech and then suddenly it is not.

The fact remains that Hammer/Anvil is worth the cost even if ones does not build a Comet/Churchill while T4 is not worth it in most cases.

The rest is jut you arguing semantics to create the impression that Ostheer have an advantage with their "premium" T4.

Try writing "veeeeery slowly" you will then avoid writing contradicting things.

What's wrong with that now? There's clearly two different meanings behind what he says. Keep your threads topics to your own threads. Here's a link to your own thread about this subject, please stop derailing this thread just for the sake of you vs Katitof: https://www.coh2.org/topic/68495/the-tech-cost-for-lmg-rifle-grenades-and-bundle-grenades

You should focus on reading full sentences instead of trying to pick apart cross threads various words just to show to the forum obsessionally why you believe he's wrong.

What's wrong with that now? There's clearly two different meanings behind what he says. Keep your threads topics to your own threads. Here's a link to your own thread about this subject, please stop derailing this thread just for the sake of you vs Katitof: https://www.coh2.org/topic/68495/the-tech-cost-for-lmg-rifle-grenades-and-bundle-grenades

You should focus on reading full sentences instead of trying to pick apart cross threads various words just to show to the forum obsessionally why you believe he's wrong.

Dir Johnsmith since you seem to be a bit confused let me explain something to you.

You are not a moderator. 90% of last post are about what I do in this forum so generally you are off topic 90% times while contributing very little in most threads.

PLS stop acting like stalker and try to contribute to this forum.

so basically, because OST t4 is a premium teir and apparently ur suppose to only rely on tier 3 somehow justifies the units in t4 being UP. Some nice logic ther

IF units in t4 was actually worth ther price, ofc people would be willing to go t4

so basically, because OST t4 is a premium teir and apparently ur suppose to only rely on tier 3 somehow justifies the units in t4 being UP. Some nice logic ther

IF units in t4 was actually worth ther price, ofc people would be willing to go t4

by this logic tier 1 of soviet is premium so it should have shit units right ?

Tier 3 is not that good. It simply has the Stug that is OP.

1) lol

2) you're right, that's why top players never make a P4 when playing as wehrmacht

1) lol

2) you're right, that's why top players never make a P4 when playing as wehrmacht

And people make T-34/76 Sherman and Cromwell. Do you actually have a point?

Is your opinion that Ostheer Panzer IV "so good" that they do not need a better tank?

so basically, because OST t4 is a premium teir and apparently ur suppose to only rely on tier 3 somehow justifies the units in t4 being UP. Some nice logic ther

IF units in t4 was actually worth ther price, ofc people would be willing to go t4

T4 isnt used because of a mix of T3 being very strong while t4 is underperforming. There isnt really a point of going T4 unless ur in a team game, going for a PW, or playing Ostruppen. Especially when Stugs/p4s/ostwinds do everything you need without tech.

T3 should be osts main emding tier. T4 should be an escalation to break the stalemate should it be required.
The main problem with t4 is that its a 2 part price that doesnt give you anything unless you pay both part THEN also have to buy a unit. Compare to okw who get their boons with teching (some have an additonal cost for sure, but its fairly small at least and optional) usf gets squads with teching that come with pre-installed munitions upgrades and some support abilities, brits get arty then all the juicy buffs for hammer/anvil as well. For WFA teching not only unlocks new units but also raises their power baseline, its actually an escalation of power. Ironicly "battle phase" system does no such thing. Which is a god damned shame. Because it could be simple things like -5% rec acc for infantry or an extra medic on med bunkers or a small reduction in cost for say the lmg 42 or faster repair for pios. The options are endless AND theres 7 (!!$!!!!!!) Places they could integrate (each tier and the 3 BP) to work out timing

Its a god damned shame...

T3 had all the AI (HT, T70, T34), and T4 had the AT and arti. (SU-85, SU-76, Katyusha)

This made the SU-76 hilariously stupid to get, and the HT and T70 arriving typically too late compared to the usefulness of an actual piece of armor.

But the t70 could also crush for a period at this time, so that was a major advantage.

And as it was already stated, calling in the T34/85 battlegroup was almost always a better choice than going T4 for unturreted AT options.

Hence T4 wasn't really used for except for luxury rocket artillery. Kinda like Ostheer T4 nowadays (still.)

Current tech system and unit selection is way superior.

A bit more of clarity and information about that time.
All factions started with less manpower for some time and tech was really expensive. This made call ins an even better choice.

Early on during release: games were defined by either vet 2 flamer HT or holding with guards n rushing T70 with crush. Shocks OP as well.

When that shit was fixed and games lasted a bit more than 7mins, you would had the choice as Soviets of getting only 2 tech buildings, due to cost.
Without taking into account specifically 1v1, you would either get T2 into T3 or T1 into T4. Remember that clowncar and double snipers were strong, and that Su85 reverse speed and sight was a joke. You couldn't always relied on waiting for CPs and going for the double T3485s. Same if you were winning and wanted to close the deal. IF you went for Cons spam, the only logical move was T2 due to Zis and then either waiting for call in tanks or getting T3.
There were some all ins with T1 into T3, because T1 was slightly cheaper.

Su76 has always been a meme unit till they buff it (like 3 years). HT got at some point to be a strong unit, but i'm not sure if that was after the rework on the tiers.

T3 should be osts main emding tier. T4 should be an escalation to break the stalemate should it be required.
The main problem with t4 is that its a 2 part price that doesnt give you anything unless you pay both part THEN also have to buy a unit. Compare to okw who get their boons with teching (some have an additonal cost for sure, but its fairly small at least and optional) usf gets squads with teching that come with pre-installed munitions upgrades and some support abilities, brits get arty then all the juicy buffs for hammer/anvil as well. For WFA teching not only unlocks new units but also raises their power baseline, its actually an escalation of power. Ironicly "battle phase" system does no such thing. Which is a god damned shame. Because it could be simple things like -5% rec acc for infantry or an extra medic on med bunkers or a small reduction in cost for say the lmg 42 or faster repair for pios. The options are endless AND theres 7 (!!$!!!!!!) Places they could integrate (each tier and the 3 BP) to work out timing

Its a god damned shame...

Thats why you typically only see t4 built when someone goes ostruppen. Since bp3 actually gives a buff to infantry people go it and if you go the BP mind as well get the cheap building along with it.

T3 should be osts main emding tier. T4 should be an escalation to break the stalemate should it be required.
The main problem with t4 is that its a 2 part price that doesnt give you anything unless you pay both part THEN also have to buy a unit. Compare to okw who get their boons with teching (some have an additonal cost for sure, but its fairly small at least and optional) usf gets squads with teching that come with pre-installed munitions upgrades and some support abilities, brits get arty then all the juicy buffs for hammer/anvil as well. For WFA teching not only unlocks new units but also raises their power baseline, its actually an escalation of power. Ironicly "battle phase" system does no such thing. Which is a god damned shame. Because it could be simple things like -5% rec acc for infantry or an extra medic on med bunkers or a small reduction in cost for say the lmg 42 or faster repair for pios. The options are endless AND theres 7 (!!$!!!!!!) Places they could integrate (each tier and the 3 BP) to work out timing

Its a god damned shame...

This is how i would have seen a reworked OH (not gonna bother trying to mention cost)

-Swap the current status of BP and Tiers. You'll need T1>T2>T3>T4 but BP could be unlocked at any pace.

-T1 remains the same.

-T2 gives access to the current benefits of BP1 (rifle grenade, LMG). It only unlocks PG, pak and 221.

-BP1 unlocks 222, bundle nade/pschrechk, 252 HT with flamer upgrade. Things here could be swap around.

-T3 comes with Ostwind and Stug. It would arrive slightly faster.


-BP2 unlocks PIV (MAYBE it comes with PIV chubby version) and Panzerwerfer on T3. It would arrive slightly later.

-T4 comes with PV and Brumbar and is more of a bonus tech option, just as current UKF.

-BP3 could be the upgrade on the long cannon for PIV, extra pio member on squad, 82HP grens, etc.

This is how i would have seen a reworked OH (not gonna bother trying to mention cost)

-Swap the current status of BP and Tiers. You'll need T1>T2>T3>T4 but BP could be unlocked at any pace.

-T1 remains the same.

-T2 gives access to the current benefits of BP1 (rifle grenade, LMG). It only unlocks PG, pak and 221.

-BP1 unlocks 222, bundle nade/pschrechk, 252 HT with flamer upgrade. Things here could be swap around.

-T3 comes with Ostwind and Stug. It would arrive slightly faster.


-BP2 unlocks PIV (MAYBE it comes with PIV chubby version) and Panzerwerfer on T3. It would arrive slightly later.

-T4 comes with PV and Brumbar and is more of a bonus tech option, just as current UKF.

-BP3 could be the upgrade on the long cannon for PIV, extra pio member on squad, 82HP grens, etc.

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This is how i would have seen a reworked OH (not gonna bother trying to mention cost)

-Swap the current status of BP and Tiers. You'll need T1>T2>T3>T4 but BP could be unlocked at any pace.

-T1 remains the same.

-T2 gives access to the current benefits of BP1 (rifle grenade, LMG). It only unlocks PG, pak and 221.

-BP1 unlocks 222, bundle nade/pschrechk, 252 HT with flamer upgrade. Things here could be swap around.

-T3 comes with Ostwind and Stug. It would arrive slightly faster.


-BP2 unlocks PIV (MAYBE it comes with PIV chubby version) and Panzerwerfer on T3. It would arrive slightly later.

-T4 comes with PV and Brumbar and is more of a bonus tech option, just as current UKF.

-BP3 could be the upgrade on the long cannon for PIV, extra pio member on squad, 82HP grens, etc.

Like you read my mind.