What is the weakness from Jackson?

Panzerwerf (open topped beware)

u know there is no top armor in this game right ? there is only front and back
are u new ?

this is what i said:
maybe the armor seem weak..but is very bouncy and dont all shots from axis armor penetrate like someone want to teach us.

Apparently there is a magic sugar plum fairy causing Panther shots to bounce on 130 armor, right? P4 penetration on far is 100 if I remember correctly - so there is a 23% chance to bounce.

10 pages in and still not a single weakness apart from “hur dur bad AI“

10 pages in and still not a single weakness apart from “hur dur bad AI“

Indeed, so let's buff elephant back to 320 damage shall we?

Instead of the ussual Axis thought process of gravitating towards the heaviest armour they can get and cruzing to a victory with that, you should take advantage of the fact that the Jackson is literally useless vs infantry.

He will have most of his infantry killing force in the form of rifles/airborne/rangers, so focus on countering those, then the jackson is useless will get fausted/shreked or forced back into base.

The suppression strafe from Assault support is good here, combine with a very well screened Tiger to see off deep infantry pushes, just dont put in on the front line for the Jacksons to eat. Throw in MGs and infantry and you can be very difficult to deal with without Shermans or similar. Also think about using a Panzerwerfer and concentrate on units that are stationary (Support weapons, Capping squads, reinforcing squads).

The Jackson cant dive for a Pwerfer in same way a Panther might, because its low armour means its got a much higher chance of being snared, and Axis are good at snaring.

Jackson is ONLY good when your relying on your armour to do most of the work.

Exactly. Double barred rifles can slug it out with Panzergrens and Obers, double LMG or Thompson Paras are great elite infantry. Both Axis factions rely on armour to trade effectively/cause bleed vs USF infantry.

Jackson armor dont exist and now this thread is closed

Jackson armor dont exist and now this thread is closed

Armor:
Panther 320
JP 230
FF 160
Stug 140
Su-85 140
M36 130
M10 120
Su-76 70

Unless you consider 10 armor a significant it would say its about average.

This has been answered

Actually the numbers are significantly different.

don't reply to troll he always close any post thats is not about a buff to ally

Nahh this thread is joke
Givme non doc pershing with 1000hp and then nerf jackson
Now we gut ?

But seriously okw has acess to evrything non doc rocket arty, KT, elite infantry, tank destroyer, pretty cool light vehicules volks are cost eficent maybe mg is bad but comon just add sniper to okw and this faction is wihtout gaps and now look at usf rifles rifles rifles and jackson jackson this faction without cool commander is boring as hell

But seriously okw has acess to evrything non doc rocket arty, KT, elite infantry, tank destroyer, pretty cool light vehicules volks are cost eficent maybe mg is bad but comon just add sniper to okw and this faction is wihtout gaps and now look at usf rifles rifles rifles and jackson jackson this faction without cool commander is boring as hell

DUDE U KNOW THERE IS OST TOO RIGHT ? IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT OKW

Indeed, so let's buff elephant back to 320 damage shall we?

That would be a reasonable change. Imagine a 65-70 range Ele/Jt with 320 damage. Oh wait

Watch the star cross cup final and see who performed the best.
Okw won the most games while usf picked up one game. From what you hear on the forums, you would think usf is unbeatable,and okw is useless.

Watch the star cross cup final and see who performed the best.
Okw won the most games while usf picked up one game. From what you hear on the forums, you would think usf is unbeatable,and okw is useless.

Stop bringing a factual argument into an ideological one! Clearly the USF Jackson is OP.. .even if it doesn't win nearly as much ... as .. .OKW!

Watch the star cross cup final and see who performed the best.
Okw won the most games while usf picked up one game. From what you hear on the forums, you would think usf is unbeatable,and okw is useless.

lol are u wewwing the game with ally biased lenses ? 1 usf won 1 in the late game (that say a lot about jackson) and 2 ost was never picked so guess why ? and 2 game were gifeted (like the at gun vs the house as usf or the last one where talisman pushed too deep) the first game clearly showed the jackson power , this is not about okw dont deflect or derail the thread cause if ost was viable we would see it picked , it's not about okw beeing too strong , is ost that is shit

lol are u wewwing the game with ally biased lenses ? 1 usf won 1 in the late game (that say a lot about jackson) and 2 ost was never picked so guess why ? and 2 game were gifeted (like the at gun vs the house as usf or the last one where talisman pushed too deep) the first game clearly showed the jackson power , this is not about okw dont deflect or derail the thread cause if ost was viable we would see it picked , it's not about okw beeing too strong , is ost that is shit

You probably do not even know why usf won one game and lost the other. Kind of hard to be biased when speaking of tournament results. The tournament is something that actually happened.

You probably do not even know why usf won one game and lost the other. Kind of hard to be biased when speaking of tournament results. The tournament is something that actually happened.

lol i just saw it and even quote how 2 game were trowhs why do u think i don't know ?(good atgun for nothing the second game)
vet 3 jackson killing everything and panther missing all shoot and dem bounces from the p4
the tournament showed that ost is not even worth picking ,jackson is too strong, p4 is the only viable okw tank, fianlly some good use of the flack halftruck (and inconsistency of the aa range on it, well to be fair boforos is buged too and can't hit planes), that cons are actaully good now, and that ,as i said before, su 85 is actually a good TD (most of all balaced) and has more pen than FF at far range

Stop bringing a factual argument into an ideological one! Clearly the USF Jackson is OP.. .even if it doesn't win nearly as much ... as .. .OKW!

Nice to see you join the ridiculous-fanboi train dude. You failed to provide any proper counter-arguments and have resorted to stupid sarcasm and use of unrelated "facts".

Top players outplayed other top players doesn't change the fact that despite ulumulu's clear Axis bias, he does have a clear point. Using an argument as stupid as yours/Mr.Flush's would go like this

1) Dave played USF vs Talisman's OKW
2) Dave did not build Jacksons and that's the reason he lost

In fact, in that game Talisman used MG34s to defeat Dave's USF, does that make MG34 OP? Every reasonable COH2 player regards it as the worst/one of the worst hmgs in the game.


Basically ulumulu's argument goes like this:

USF Jackson is the best medium cost tank destroyer and has a combination of strengths which makes it way too powerful. It has very high acceleration and speed, which allows it to escape easily, and coupled with its 60 range, it can easily kite enemy mediums, premiums, and heavies, and if under-threat it can simply drive away because it's so fast. All other tank destroyers are rather slow, and most of them have no turret, which makes them very vulnerable to flanks/circle-strafes.

Having low armour is definitely a weakness, but apart from JP4, all tank destroyers in this category have bad armour. Most importantly, armour is a less important factor when you can outrange and outmaneuver all enemy tanks easily.