WBP V1.3 Stuka

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 13:14 PMMr.Smith

Cause it still has the best AoE and is super accurate, and doesn't care about your fog of war.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 15:05 PMscratchedpaintjob

IMO it is the artillery piece that is most dependent on your fog of war, because of the low amount of rockets and its precision. You cannot just click an area and be sure to hit something!

Additionally it allows the enemy to move their weapon and not get hit entirely, something that is impossible with every other rocket artillery in the game.

Combine that with the high price and the mediocre results against emplacements, i would say that halfing its HP is too steep!

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 15:24 PMGrumpy

I don't like the 160 hp either. It will make it highly susceptible to tanks diving, random arty shots, etc. If they're going to do that, then it seems like the fuel cost should come down. I think it would have been better if they just made it scatter like all the other rocket artillery, instead of the laser-guided rockets that it has.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 15:05 PMscratchedpaintjob

IMO it is the artillery piece that is most dependent on your fog of war, because of the low amount of rockets and its precision. You cannot just click an area and be sure to hit something!

Additionally it allows the enemy to move their weapon and not get hit entirely, something that is impossible with every other rocket artillery in the game.

Combine that with the high price and the mediocre results against emplacements, i would say that halfing its HP is too steep!

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 15:31 PMSturmpanther

You know that you can use the stuka on maxrange and still this unit is great or?

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 16:21 PMGrumpy

I always use it around max range. Weren't the other nerfs enough? The units in this game have gone from overnerf to overbuff so many times. Shouldn't they slow down?

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 15:52 PMMr.Smith

We could give the unit the full-blown FBP treatment. However, given the other changes to the faction, DBP changes are Good Enough™. There are bigger fish to fry.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 16:22 PMSturmpanther

Thats why it got not the full FBP nerf

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 17:12 PMStug life

Mr smith how about 180 HP so that if I get surprised it doesn't get insta-gib but lowering the armor so mg of tank can pen ? A tank coming in would still kill it and inf could deal more damage to it too but at least I can react

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 13:14 PMMr.Smith

Cause it still has the best AoE and is super accurate, and doesn't care about your fog of war.

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 17:20 PMMr.Smith

The Stuka is the only artillery piece that can fire from max range and still get perfect results.

Thus, it needs to share the same existential threats as every other single rocket artillery in the game. Especially of the ones that come much later than it and need to go tip-toe to deal any damage.

320HP was ok back when OKW used to have resource penalties.

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2017, 12:30 PMKurfürst

The 160 HP nerf is unwarranted as the Stuka has much shorter range do not get the option to stay away from the frontlines, as opposed to the Calliope, Katyusha and the Panzerwerfer. Its not so hard to reach and counter - a Stuart or T-70 can do that nicely. This massive nerf to health is unwanted, unwarranted, nobody has asked for it and is counter intuitive to boot - one halftruck has half the health as the other halftruck, nah.

If accuracy is a problem then fix accuracy - the walking barrage is something nobody will miss as its weird to use, weird to see and is predictable to be avoided. Give it the same random barrage as the Werfer etc, not some super-easy mode for lazy allied players to counter it which involves throwing one dispensable suicide T-34 at it or a bunch of penals to fire off one-or-two round.

Otherwise, what sort of counterplay options are there? Do not build the Stuka, do not fire the Stuka? Ridiculus.

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2017, 12:55 PMSturmpanther

And when your stuka got attack the last time in teamgames? Almost never. Until you are losing the whole game.

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2017, 13:01 PMKurfürst

That would mean the nerfing of its health to be a loose-100-fuel-to-one-shot nerf is again, well, unwarranted, since as you say, it almost never gets attacked anyway, right?

Stuarts can hunt them down really nice already. Engine block shot and its doomed. Its also very unlikely to get away from a medium if it finds it but at least there is a chance. There are possible countes already. Its health ain't broken, there no need to fix it.

Jump back to quoted post15 Nov 2017, 13:01 PMKurfürst

That would mean the nerfing of its health to be a loose-100-fuel-to-one-shot nerf is again, well, unwarranted, since as you say, it almost never gets attacked anyway, right?

Stuarts can hunt them down really nice already. Engine block shot and its doomed. Its also very unlikely to get away from a medium if it finds it but at least there is a chance. There are possible countes already. Its health ain't broken, there no need to fix it.