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17 Nov 2017, 08:13 AM
#701
avatar of Mr.Smith

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Regardless the demo changes, I'm curious what the envisioned usage of them is with this patch. Basically, how do you see Soviet/USF players laying them and activating them over the course of a given average match? Clearly, they retain the ability to destroy garrisons preemptively, as well as their usage against OKW buildings as the like, but it seems like it's now nigh impossible to kill squads with them unless you place the demo along a retreat path or something (or, again, the opposing player sends their unit somewhere without paying attention, but this is significantly less effective if they can't be placed on capture points). The timer version felt like it had a clearer design purpose and synergized better with the other changes as a means of punishing garrisoning without being too harsh on infantry, whereas this one leaves the impression that the intent of this change is simply to lower their usability tremendously.


We want to completely avoid the no-brainer effect that occurs in 1v1 late-game, where demo planted on a flag = free wipe.

We wanted to make demos only possible to hide in certain locations (e.g., heavy cover). However, when we tried implementing the feature, it didn't work. In order not to delay the release of the update on account of demos, we chose the implementation that you currently see.

17 Nov 2017, 09:03 AM
#702
avatar of Kurfürst

Posts: 144

And the new Jackson that is now also turbo firing, but has 640 health, buffed pen, will hit you regardless of chasing or fleeing while sitting on the same popcap as a Panzer IV is well balanced now, yes? With a just gimme 50% more damage button, just in case?

The buffs remain and the orginal balancing nerfs that made the change acceptable are slowly disappearing patch version to patch version.

The sum of the all the changes is that the unit has pretty much the same DPS as previously (considering that the combined buffs to pen and ROF basically negate the DMG nerf), but it has now 640 health, and is just as spammable in large team game as ever (popcap).

Something's gotta give. Popcap, range, moving accuracy are top contenders IMO.
17 Nov 2017, 09:35 AM
#703
avatar of Teia Rabishu

Posts: 12

We want to completely avoid the no-brainer effect that occurs in 1v1 late-game, where demo planted on a flag = free wipe.

We wanted to make demos only possible to hide in certain locations (e.g., heavy cover). However, when we tried implementing the feature, it didn't work. In order not to delay the release of the update on account of demos, we chose the implementation that you currently see.


I take it the plan is to work on a better implementation for a future update and/or the final release?
17 Nov 2017, 09:48 AM
#704
avatar of Latch

Posts: 773



We want to completely avoid the no-brainer effect that occurs in 1v1 late-game, where demo planted on a flag = free wipe.


But Obers Booby trap remains the same?
17 Nov 2017, 09:49 AM
#705
avatar of some one

Posts: 935


Jackson cost too much.

Its survivility may be increased but it's firepower decreased significantly
We got expensive sherman with slower reload.

If you lost the first vs Ostheer after that snowball unstoppable
17 Nov 2017, 09:50 AM
#706
avatar of Kurfürst

Posts: 144

Obers booby traps dont wipe if you are paying any attention and there is counterplay.
17 Nov 2017, 09:53 AM
#707
avatar of jagd wölfe

Posts: 1660

jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2017, 09:48 AMLatch


But Obers Booby trap remains the same?


Obers booby traps don't wipe, they trigger as capping start, which means only a few models get killer, unless the player effectively delay capping with a unit inside the circle.

Nice troll tho..
17 Nov 2017, 10:00 AM
#708
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Posts: 4314 | Subs: 7

Jackson was fine (or even a bit OP) in v1.3 why but if even more ...
17 Nov 2017, 11:28 AM
#709
avatar of aerafield

Posts: 3032 | Subs: 3

Emplacements
To increase vulnerability of emplacement to their counters, the following changes have been made:
[...]
Incoming repairs reduced by 75% while brace is active


I got a question: Does this also affect "Stand Fast" from the Royal Engineers doctrine? :) The description of the Royal Engineers commander revamp was a little bit unclear there.

UKF Artillery Commander Concentration barrage
* Can no longer fire through the FOW


FINALLY!

* Now always fires Airburst shells, regardless of Anvil tech


What is the reason behind that tho? I know that Airburst shells got nerfed in their accuracy(thankfully), but I feel with the buff of the 25 pounder base howitzers, this ability might be insane keeping in mind how early you can use it already, and especially if you push with comets at the same time, it will still one-shot weapon crews and blind enemy tank crews

Royal Engineer Regiment


Vehicle Repair
* Recharge time from 120s to 45s
* Cost from 100 to 40
* Effects end when the vehicle is fully healed.


So does that mean, now you spend 40 munitions on an ability that can be used every 45s and that now fully repairs all vehicles? That sounds pretty broken in case I didnt misunderstand anything

EDIT: I misunderstood something :snfPeter:
17 Nov 2017, 11:34 AM
#710
avatar of Array
Donator 11

Posts: 609



So does that mean, now you spend 40 munitions on an ability that can be used every 45s and that now fully repairs all vehicles? That sounds pretty broken in case I didnt misunderstand anything


Above it was clarified that its only for one tank and has a cooldown
17 Nov 2017, 11:34 AM
#711
avatar of aerafield

Posts: 3032 | Subs: 3

jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2017, 11:34 AMArray


Above it was clarified that its only for one tank and has a cooldown


my bad, sry
17 Nov 2017, 11:37 AM
#712
avatar of Array
Donator 11

Posts: 609



my bad, sry


not a problem
17 Nov 2017, 11:55 AM
#713
avatar of Kothre

Posts: 431

UKF Artillery Commander Concentration barrage
* Can no longer fire through the FOW
* Now always fires Airburst shells, regardless of Anvil tech


YES. YES. YES. THANK YOU. Oh my God, I have been wanting this for so long. Bless you!
17 Nov 2017, 12:09 PM
#714
avatar of vasa1719

Posts: 2635 | Subs: 4

Permanently Banned


Obers booby traps don't wipe, they trigger as capping start, which means only a few models get killer, unless the player effectively delay capping with a unit inside the circle.

Nice troll tho..


2 booby traps from obers or jager and thay wipe, thay even can kill t-70, we test it.
17 Nov 2017, 12:10 PM
#715
avatar of insaneHoshi

Posts: 911

jump backJump back to quoted post17 Nov 2017, 09:48 AMLatch


But Obers Booby trap remains the same?


I know I shouldn't feed the troll but obers booby trap comes really late, doesn't wipe and there is an audio cues and delay.

OT what's the rationale behind the buff to bren reload speed? Won't that just encourage more bren blobing?
17 Nov 2017, 12:11 PM
#716
avatar of vasa1719

Posts: 2635 | Subs: 4

Permanently Banned
Still no buff for valenteine, waht popcap he have guys, no buff for british priest. Now you kill the doc wihtout buff :clap:
17 Nov 2017, 12:12 PM
#717
avatar of Kothre

Posts: 431

I just noticed that Tommies' health kit hotkey changed from H to Q. Is there a reason for this? Bug?

I mean, if we're going to change hotkeys, can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE change the reverse gear hotkey from U to something reachable, like V?
17 Nov 2017, 12:13 PM
#718
avatar of vasa1719

Posts: 2635 | Subs: 4

Permanently Banned


I know I shouldn't feed the troll but obers booby trap comes really late, doesn't wipe and there is an audio cues and delay.


What about jager booby trap, waht about that now in patch you get obers faster coz price change, waht about that is good in late game (like with demo in VP).
17 Nov 2017, 12:19 PM
#719
avatar of insaneHoshi

Posts: 911



What about jager booby trap, waht about that now in patch you get obers faster coz price change, waht about that is good in late game (like with demo in VP).


Did you read the rest of my post?
17 Nov 2017, 12:41 PM
#720
avatar of vasa1719

Posts: 2635 | Subs: 4

Permanently Banned


Did you read the rest of my post?


you write it after when i write to you, there was no nothing about brens. And we talk about booby trap not brens, that fact taht you dont know that you can pust 2-3 trap in one point talk a lot.
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