Eastern Front Armies Revamp

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 18:32 PMStrummingbird

Suggestion-

Fausts for Assault Grenadiers (with T1, like osttruppen)

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TLDR

• Assgrens are counterable by infantry play and are balanced in that regard with their cost and timing

• Additional weakness in lack of faust exposes assgren play to cheese in the early game and heavily disincentivizes them in the lategame (amongst other things)

• Giving them fausts would not significantly affect matchups to the point where assgren spam / cheese play becomes a problem [may need observation vs brits] and would make for more variety ingame

Single Shreck for Panzergrens

• GCS and 1v1 gameplay clearly shows the propensity for wehrmacht T1 units over pgrens in the anti-inf role. This is not necessarily due to T1 being overboard in strength, but rather due to the lack of niche for panzergrens in the wehr anti-inf roster.

• Grenadiers are almost always preferable [even when both T1 and T2 are present], with fausts, much, much lower initial cost, weapon upgrades (particularly G43) that allow the unit to punch above its reinforce cost]

• Snipers bleed no manpower and due to how important / impactful this unit is in the USF/UKF matchup and against soviet sniper, panzergrens really can't compete

• Single schreck would give the unit a niche in T2 as a 'safe' multirole purchase.

• Pgren blob / spam would neither be efficient nor uncounterable, given their high upfront cost, not-overly strong anti-inf performance, nerfed bundle nade and weakness of single shreck in coh2 due to vehicle mechanics with pushing and general high lethality[see current sturmpios for reference]. As such, Wehrmacht T1 + pak or stug would still be the more cost-efficient tier for specialized units, but panzergrens would offer a flexible alternative in a faction of specialists

Other suggestions (without reasoning, maybe later)
0CP Mortar Halftrack
Riegel mines able to be laid by pioneers and 222s

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 21:06 PMvoltardark

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It's why i don't play chess anymore...

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 20:48 PMBeefSurge

Ass grens with Faust would be an upgrade over grens and a down grade over LMG grens. IMO they just need better anti-infantry scaling:like a 60 munitions armor upgrade or something.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 20:48 PMBeefSurge

Removing double Shrek is a nerf to Ost.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 09:53 AMnigo

@mirage and smith,

FYI:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompanyOfHeroes/comments/6ighwx/fyi_the_ardennes_assault_campaign_is_pretty/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=CompanyOfHeroes

Initial improvements (DPS)
Accuracy changed from 0.541/0.495/0.334 to 0.56805/0.495/0.4175
Vet3 RA bonus reduced from 0.6 to 0.65
Accuracy bonus added 1.15 with veterancy

- Damage from 16 to 10

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 11:30 AMblvckdream

According to the last patch notes this gets applied to Cons.



Doesn´t that nerf cons hard? Slight acc buff but damage nerfed hard????

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 11:30 AMblvckdream

According to the last patch notes this gets applied to Cons.



Doesn´t that nerf cons hard? Slight acc buff but damage nerfed hard????

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 12:11 PMMr.Smith

The notes are incorrect. Accuracy is still (to offset damage change):
- Accuracy from 0.541/0.495/0.334 to 0.9086803/0.7918258/0.6678531

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 12:53 PMJB.

Here's an idea. You could swap the positions and Hotkeys for the Brumbar, Werfer and Panther so the line up from left to right would be this:

Werfer (Q) --- Brumbar (W) --- Panther (E)

This way it would be consistent across factions.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 12:43 PMblvckdream

...
Cons need more buffs.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 13:06 PMVipper

Cons actually are OP in mod. They do not need to get better especially since Penal remain so strong.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 14:15 PMblvckdream

How are they OP? PPSH doctrines are meh...PTRS for cons is limited to one one-dimensional doctrine.

So you still end up with Cons that are next to useless against upgraded Volks and Grens.

Fight some Vet 3 Grens with MG42/G43 upgrade or Vet5 STG Volks with Cons and see how well that goes.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2017, 14:44 PMVipper

An Lmg grenadier is T1 unit with BP 2 research and 60 Mu upgrade, it should beat a T0 unit.

An STG Volk is 250 MP unit with 2 set truck investment and 60 Mu upgrade, it should beat a T0 unit.

Conscript should simply be redesign either an aggressive unit with ourah and good at mid to close (no sandbags) or as defensive unit good far when in cover (with sandbags but no ourah maybe some bonuses when in cover).

Else leave the unit as (a bit less animation for molotovs) a mediocre in all roles.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2017, 01:15 AMZombiFrancis

On what basis will feedback be considered on all this?