USF vs Ost Mortar

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2017, 03:54 AMLucas Troy

Everything seems good.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2017, 04:14 AMPedro_Jedi

Or not.

By God, they're nerfing it! Please, PLEASE, STAHP THEM! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2017, 03:54 AMLucas Troy

Thanks for posting this. I was worried the USF mortar was OP. But because of this finding, where there was a game in which the OH mortar did better than the USF mortar, I am no longer worried. Everything seems good.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2017, 04:29 AMGrumpy

No, genius. They should've nerfed both of them. The only stock mortar that didn't need a nerf was the Soviet one that doesn't kill anything anyway.

• The USF had only slightly better stats than the Ostheer mortar. Almost everyone already knew this.
  
• A sample size of one is too small for a test. If you get the chance, take a statistics class. I was a history major, but I took some basic stats and math classes, and they've been very useful for work and in life. If you studied statistics in either a class, or through an online venue, or even just reading through a text book, it's hugely rewarding. The way it helps you understand the world is invaluable.
  
• A replay where we can see what happened in the game would be more useful for analysis than a screen shot where we don't know what happened.
  
• You can'take compare units in a vacuum. The USF mortar was a problem because having a mortar that good gave USF too strong a roster when combined with riflemen, which were intended to be strong even without support in early game, so giving them support as well caused problems. Riflemen are fine on USF, but would be too strong if given to Ostheer. It's fine that soviets get a reinforcing halftrack, but if you gave the same halftrack to OKW, different story.
  
  

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2017, 17:05 PMImagelessbean

What is the point of this post OP?

The USF mortar is vastly overperforming and is being addressed next week.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2017, 19:24 PMBohewulf

If it is vastly overperforming how can it be fixed by the very minor changes of the next patch?

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2017, 13:42 PMLucas Troy

• The USF had only slightly better stats than the Ostheer mortar. Almost everyone already knew this.
  
• A sample size of one is too small for a test. If you get the chance, take a statistics class. I was a history major, but I took some basic stats and math classes, and they've been very useful for work and in life. If you studied statistics in either a class, or through an online venue, or even just reading through a text book, it's hugely rewarding. The way it helps you understand the world is invaluable.
  
• A replay where we can see what happened in the game would be more useful for analysis than a screen shot where we don't know what happened.
  
• You can'take compare units in a vacuum. The USF mortar was a problem because having a mortar that good gave USF too strong a roster when combined with riflemen, which were intended to be strong even without support in early game, so giving them support as well caused problems. Riflemen are fine on USF, but would be too strong if given to Ostheer. It's fine that soviets get a reinforcing halftrack, but if you gave the same halftrack to OKW, different story.
  
  

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2017, 17:05 PMImagelessbean

What is the point of this post OP?

The USF mortar is vastly overperforming and is being addressed next week.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2017, 02:58 AMGrumpy

A couple of points:

1)The Ost mortar should've been nerfed also.
2)I was stirring some shit. The USF mortar is really good against people that like to camp or move large groups of infantry straight at their opponent. The other team didn't do that much, or maybe at all.
3)The win rates are fairly balanced right now. They won't be after this patch. Other than bug fixes, this patch doesn't look like it will be good for allies in 2v2 and above. Your 0.780 win rate and 15 ranking won't be in any danger, but you're going to be waiting 10 minutes to get a game and the games won't last long. The allied players that do stick around are going to double down on mortar pits, Comets, and arty cover. I'm sure it's going to be great fun.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2017, 23:14 PMZombiFrancis

The range was reduced to 65, not the damage. Infantry entities still have 80 health and hump each other in cover and when moving around objects.

81mm Mortar
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AoE near distance reduced from 1 to 0.75 (both attack and barrage)

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2017, 02:23 AMGrumpy

You really think that most people on COH2 think that the USF mortar has only slightly better stats? According to the hyperbole, it is a heat-seeking nuclear missile.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2017, 02:58 AMGrumpy

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2)I was stirring some shit. The USF mortar is really good against people that like to camp or move large groups of infantry straight at their opponent. The other team didn't do that much, or maybe at all.
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