Balance for infiltration squads badly needed?

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2016, 16:42 PM__deleted__

Are we talking about live here? Because Falls are perhaps the most manpower ineffective call in squad ingame, and then a single AOE attack comes along and kill them. Hurr-durr.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2016, 09:58 AM__deleted__

But these 2 abilities would be still different. In one you get starfing runs and falls for munny and in second you get fall for MP. Also munnition ability need fixing because right now those planes are only visual (and supress a bit). Maybe making them as normal skillplanez with 1 strafe would be much better.



Partisans and stormtroops shouldn´t drop from sky to keep things historical. I think we agree

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2016, 17:44 PMStark

Falls are fine, just other abilities in this commanders aren't hmmm so desirable.



Keeping things historical at the end of the war (which okw represents) Germans didn't drop falls from the skies anymore.

Personally i would change the last ability or maybe add some AT strafes to it. This commander (with Falls) is basicly useless in teamgames.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2016, 21:13 PM__deleted__

But then soviets should have 10x more t34/85 than axis have any tank and OKW would be completely useless because USA artyed and bombed whole shit of them.

Historical balance in coh2 means that game is balanced yet there are some core features of units from ww2 - like t76 is weaker than panther, paratroops dropping from sky, british having entranchement oriented army etc etc

Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2016, 11:07 AMsome one

Yess ffs In team games they are especially potent coz In first mniutes of any match up is important to get better map control and position. So Its HMgs In buildings and Mortars. TO caunter this Axis do Indirect fire and Light vehicals. And All partisons do their job good Wiping team weapons and snare Light vehicals.

If there will be changes that Axis team weapon cannon be wiped at 2 CP is good. But Other shit stays Coz Light vehical have to go into enemy territory to clear the path for infantry that were stopped by HMGs and there the problem gonna stay with SHreckParty

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2016, 22:29 PMImmoraliste

All changes sound great.

Infiltration has been cheap cheese from the very start. Coh2.org has always been the only forum with any sanity... post this anywhere else and everyone would be shouting how great elite squad infiltration is and how instawipes are rewarding their skill.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2016, 22:56 PMStark

Your second part of your comment just confirms what i texted before. Falls weren't dropping from the sky at the end of the war and they should be normally deployed like in vcoh1 (core feature of this unit from ww2).

We are getting off the topic

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2016, 17:15 PMWygrif

Actually, they did drop in the battle of the bulge. It was called Operation Stösser.

Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2016, 19:07 PMaerafield

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Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2016, 18:43 PMMr.Smith

That's a good option. Partisans will require a cost recalibration regardless (they are definitely NOT worth 35MP per model); it's the dirt-cheap MP price that makes them an overkill.

Other alternatives are:
- Give a delay between issuing the infiltration command, and the squad actually spawning (say 20 seconds)
- Make the squad spawn with crap weapons, and they regain their default weapons after a delay has elapsed

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2016, 08:31 AMTickTack

Time delay not a good solution, because you're just delaying the heavy alpha strike wipe damage to a later point.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2016, 18:57 PMtightrope

I support not being able to spawn them from enemy territory but can still spawn them from neutral or friendly as a first step.

Probably looking at starting with nades on cooldown as the next step if infiltration units are still OP after that.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2016, 15:37 PMaerafield

This is a good way to go imo.

Either this or grenade cooldown + crap weapons at start but without "only in certain territory spawn".. these 2 options are my favorites