Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.3 Update

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2016, 23:06 PMBartonPL

actually, why we can't just reverse changed to Penals and replace flamer with DP-28?

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 01:28 AMelchino7

Hmm if you talk about Guards with DPs/PTRS then i'm afraid that at that point, you have to leave M3/Sniper/Shocks.been barely usable.
At this point, we are just tring to over-engineering a solution to a problem which is solved by adjusting other factors which aren't Penals.

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2016, 09:59 AMBartonPL

is it me or thiw winter patch gets more retarded over time?

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 10:17 AMAustralian Magic

Why complicate so much if you can make Penals from 1.1 and add M-42 /Done


This PTRS, PPsh+flamer, then another 3rd PTRS after T4

It's like you have no idea what to do with Penals.
Take away flamethrower, make their stats better than Cons (so they are stronger than Cons but have no utility), no utility (so Cons have better utility) and put M-42.

But of course you haven't tried anything else becasue "PTRS" :/
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If any infantry needs upgrades, it's Cons, not Penals. Cons should be mainline infantry, while Penals should be quasi-elite, better than Cons but without utility, apart from satchel.

Synergy from AI Penals, M3 and Sniper covered with M-42 would be enough to go for T1.

ATM I see no reason why I should go for T1 with all those weird changes.

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 07:41 AMheroicservant

I understand that they can't touch everything, but they don't need to. Nerf the t70, usf mortar, penal flamer and the other handful of units/issues that are over preforming and call it a day. The game has lots of issues that need to be reworked but they are not in scope right now so don't go picking and choosing right now.

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 12:16 PMOnimusha

Ptrs was a good idea, need only something like molotov to clear buildings instead of flamer. Stop. With molotov after tech penals are ok with ptrs. If they are underperforming for their cost just make penals cost 280 like a rifleman or tommy. But please don't try again with flamers, the problem wasn't their damage until the are close range, the problem is only that flamer damage is aoe, and blob flamers on durable squads is too OP, vs retrating squads too. Ppsh will not change this thing.

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 10:17 AMAustralian Magic

Why complicate so much if you can make Penals from 1.1 and add M-42 /Done


This PTRS, PPsh+flamer, then another 3rd PTRS after T4

It's like you have no idea what to do with Penals.
Take away flamethrower, make their stats better than Cons (so they are stronger than Cons but have no utility), no utility (so Cons have better utility) and put M-42.

But of course you haven't tried anything else becasue "PTRS" :/
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If any infantry needs upgrades, it's Cons, not Penals. Cons should be mainline infantry, while Penals should be quasi-elite, better than Cons but without utility, apart from satchel.

Synergy from AI Penals, M3 and Sniper covered with M-42 would be enough to go for T1.

ATM I see no reason why I should go for T1 with all those weird changes.

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 13:49 PM__deleted__

I was against this for a long time because I thought penals PTRS can work and so on, but after all these changes I have to say I was mistaken. We need to start everything from beggining. Give penals 1.1 stats, remove flamer, remove PTRS and.

I have better Idea than M42 in tier 1. I think M42 should be unlocked in tier 1 once you build tier3 or simply put it in tier3. By this way axis players can counter tier1 if they make fast push with really light vehicles (222, flaptrack) and soviet player can make comback once he gets tier3. By this change we will encourage soviet player to tech fast so he won´t be albe to play extended tier1 play.

What do you think ?


And yes M42 is good in current sitiation, i tryed it and it is more than enaught to keep soviet tier1 in play. Maybe even too strong as core unit, we have to make further testing. M42 should be weak lategame like PTRS penals are, you should be punished if you make them too many.


Hector

Jump back to quoted post18 Dec 2016, 13:49 PM__deleted__

And yes M42 is good in current sitiation, i tryed it and it is more than enaught to keep soviet tier1 in play. Maybe even too strong as core unit, we have to make further testing. M42 should be weak lategame like PTRS penals are, you should be punished if you make them too many.


Hector