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Sturmpios have much closer way to get to this builing than IS so no idea how IS could get there first.
Advice, you don't need to sit under maxim fire. Get out of builind and stay behind it to bait enemy to get in or keep status quo for maxim and your unit.
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Sturmpios have much closer way to get to this builing than IS so no idea how IS could get there first.
Advice, you don't need to sit under maxim fire. Get out of builind and stay behind it to bait enemy to get in or keep status quo for maxim and your unit.
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If OKW needs to MacGyver opponents out of buildings, why cant USF? Why do they need the best mortar in t0?
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I guess i'm just imagining it when the go to tactic for okw in 2v2 is to head straight for the enemy cutoff, with spio>volks>kubel. Having the strongest opening unit is a huge benifit, and the kubel speed, lack of bleed, and caping ability is really strong. Rifles might be good, but okw can outnumber them early. General rule of thumb in team games is to not try to go head to head with okw for the fuel at start or you will get forced away.
Put it this way both a USF player and OKW player go for the same point to start. OKW starts with spio vs re. Obviously OKW wins.
Lets say the us player waits for his rifle. Now it's rifle+re, but okw's kubel can get their the same time as the volks because of speed. Now it's spio+kubel+volks vs re+rifle.
Or it can wait even longer, now it's spio+volks+volks+kubel vs rifle+rifle+re. Either way the US player is outnumbered and must play defensively. They don't really start to get the advantage til they bolster their force with their free officer.
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Point is more that loosing garrison control should not be as punishing for a single faction compared to all others. And even if, their MG is out later than soviets or UKF to take the same advantage of the garrison to the same extent.
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As for OKW, you will always get incendiary nades with teching so there is no slowing down becasue of nades.
All OKW needs right now is smoke ability for ISG.
I guess i'm just imagining it when the go to tactic for okw in 2v2 is to head straight for the enemy cutoff, with spio>volks>kubel. Having the strongest opening unit is a huge benifit, and the kubel speed, lack of bleed, and caping ability is really strong. Rifles might be good, but okw can outnumber them early. General rule of thumb in team games is to not try to go head to head with okw for the fuel at start or you will get forced away.
Put it this way both a USF player and OKW player go for the same point to start. OKW starts with spio vs re. Obviously OKW wins.
Lets say the us player waits for his rifle. Now it's rifle+re, but okw's kubel can get their the same time as the volks because of speed. Now it's spio+kubel+volks vs re+rifle.
Or it can wait even longer, now it's spio+volks+volks+kubel vs rifle+rifle+re. Either way the US player is outnumbered and must play defensively. They don't really start to get the advantage til they bolster their force with their free officer.
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Put the USF mortar behind the grenade upgrade. No mortar without teching.
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If you want to put mortat behind teching, put it in Ltn tier, or keep it on HQ and unlock once Lt/Cpt is ready.
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putting it behind grenade means the USF can access it regardless of lt or captain.
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But it slows down teching while they already have to pay to racks.
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that's the point.
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I see no reason to slow down teching just to get mortar.
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because it provide the USF with a reliable way to counter garrison, mg, and atg as well.
a decent mortar is one of the most useful unit in the entire game. Giving one to the USF is a huge buff.
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Decent - that's the thing.
USF mortar should be T0 and weakest. If it was weakest mortar which provides small damage and smoke we wouldn't hade this conversation.
But it's best mortar so here we are.
I say nerf it and we're done.
Still wonder why in preview mortar was fine for everyone and the suddenly Relic turned it into best one
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just because it was in the preview doesn't automatically mean that it's fine. No one caught the issue with t34-76 mg buff until it got into a larger testing base.
and giving the usf a crappy mortar seems like it's doing it for its own sake. It feels like an obsession with providing them with a mortar without regarding for design or balance.
I also say that even a crappy mortar will be too much for the early USF. It's giving them extra option and strength at the stage of the game where they already dominate. A crappy mortar doesn't help the USF with their weak late game while buffing their already powerful early game.
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If USF player goes for 2RF+1Mortar it means you can easily punish him for that becasue your field presence will be greater.
USF needed mortar to be able to fight with HMG/buildings without mandatory nades - that was the point of mortar.
USF were forced to go for nades always vs HMG/Buildings so putting mortat behind nades does not have any sense becasue it was to be able to skip nades.
It's not good when a faction is forced to do something becasue there are no other tools.
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If USF player goes for 2RF+1Mortar it means you can easily punish him for that becasue your field presence will be greater.
USF needed mortar to be able to fight with HMG/buildings without mandatory nades - that was the point of mortar.
USF were forced to go for nades always vs HMG/Buildings so putting mortat behind nades does not have any sense becasue it was to be able to skip nades.
It's not good when a faction is forced to do something becasue there are no other tools.
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