OKW Infantry

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2016, 12:45 PMMr.Smith

With respect to USF, however, it is easy to see that USF infantry should be more cost-effective than OKW infantry, because OKW late-game vehicles are more cost-effective and way less micro-intensive than the USF paper-fleet.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2016, 23:20 PMZyllen

I agree with your assement of hte usf riflemen. but if riflemen is supposed to be the strongest line infantry then the vg's should be the second strongest. The reason for that are simple. every other aspects of the okw early game is inferior to the usf: lv's support weapons teching and early tanks are all inferior.

Now the whole OKW faction is simply falling to pieces without its shreks as these problems have been their for a long time but where masked by the effects the shrek had on the game. the following needs to happen in my opinion.

buff the mp44 upgrade to mirror the pg stg.
the okw flacktruck needs some buffs
and the price reversal of the tanks.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2016, 09:28 AMOZtheWiZARD

If marketing jargon is enough evidance for you, then I have anything to add.

OKW elite infantry - Fals, Fusiliers etc. and of course Obers

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2016, 23:49 PMVirtual Boar

Except OKW is not falling to pieces

http://imgur.com/Fd7B6zw

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2016, 23:49 PMVirtual Boar

Your suggestions are ridiculous. Mp44 is already an infantry shredder, Flak truck makes the bofors blush

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 01:34 AMinsaneHoshi

You do know thats exactly how they are described in game too?

Im still waiting your source saying Volks are supposed to be fragile.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 09:16 AMOZtheWiZARD

This description refers also to fresh recruits and recovered wounded soldiers. Sure, that's a clear indicator Volks should be elite infantry.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 10:54 AMinsaneHoshi

No it says that they are effective infantry. Which clashes with your reality where you believe they should be ineffective.

BTW im still waiting for you to find any sort of proof that they are meant to be ineffective.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 10:54 AMinsaneHoshi

No it says that they are effective infantry. Which clashes with your reality where you believe they should be ineffective.

BTW im still waiting for you to find any sort of proof that they are meant to be ineffective.

Volksgrenadiers
The received accuracy bonus the Volksgrenadiers gained at Veterancy level 5 made them extremely durable. Durability was not one of the intended roles of the squad so adjustments were made.
Removed 0.71 received accuracy at veterancy level 5
Added 0.7 cooldown and reload at veterancy level 5

Volksgrenadiers
Performs moderately well at long range combat
Extremely vulnerable at short range, moderately vulnerable at mid-range
Versus Riflemen
Disadvantaged at long ranges
Extremely disadvantaged at short-mid ranges
Versus Conscripts
Advantaged at long ranges
Disadvantaged at mid ranges
Disadvantaged at short ranges
Changes
Mid accuracy from 0.6 to 0.62
Far accuracy from 0.55 to 0.59
Moving cooldown from 1 to 1.5

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 13:11 PMOZtheWiZARD

In regards to Volks durability:



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There are just first I found going through patch notes alone

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 13:27 PMZyllen

I never seen such a massive hissy for over the description of units.


also oz thats some pretty fucking outdated info you got their. the VG;s didnt just get buffed or nerfed their entire role got changed. so any info previously before the swap from shreks to mp44 is no longer relevant.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 13:51 PMOZtheWiZARD

I never made this fuss in the first place and these are few of the last changes made to Volks. Also my point was to show the design philosophy rather than adjustments it selves. That is literately Relic saying what was their aim yet you still are going to argue that.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 16:23 PMZyllen

Your simply not allowed to bring this info into the argument because it applies to shrek volks not to mp44 volks.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 16:40 PMOZtheWiZARD

I think you just got owned and you butt hurts so much you cant admit it for the world.


Also your counterargument is ridiculous.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 16:42 PMVuther

While not definitively so, the lack of price changes would certainly imply Volks are meant more to be meatshields, like the similarly-priced Conscripts and Grenadiers. Otherwise they'd probably have gotten price-increases from the recent changes.

Doesn't mean its fine, but that's the sense I'd get.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2016, 16:49 PMZyllen

No im cracking down on intellectually dishonest allied fanboys like yourself. your arguments are shit period.

I already asked you why the owk should have the weakest mainline infantry support weapons and lv's. you couldn't answer and you still cannot because you know its true. This whole description issue is something i put an end to because its nothing more then a huge strawmen that you created.