Rifle smoke and mortar, pick one.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 07:11 AMGenObi

Noooooooooooppppppppppppppeeeeeeeeeeeee

l2p nub

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 07:24 AMKatitof

Both, anyone who have ever played USF out of placement knows how engaging and interesting their early game is, anything that adds up to variety in BO is much welcomed bonus...

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 07:47 AMChet

Then lets see a patch so Ostheer infantry doesnt get insta-slammed against riflemen please. MG is only significant early counter to USF rifleman squads. That is now nullified without any counterpoise.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 06:54 AMJackas4life

Personally I say keep the mortar but do what the competitive mod does, less range, less damage, but more accurate and higher rof compared to the other mortars.

It wasn't a model killer (unless they were already low) and it was great to deal with MGs (due to it being a mortar) and the fact that the higher rof actually allows mortar smoke to work even more effective.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 07:52 AMKatitof

Sure, will that patch also lock T1 at T2 costs and replace HMG with grens at T0, so there actually is a logical excuse for grens to stand up to rifles?

Ost is meant since day one to rely on combined arms of grens+supporting units.
If you believe that grens alone will carry you, well, that doesn't even work against conscripts anymore and is not supposed to, you have greatest possibilities of combined arms from first seconds of the game for a reason.

If you can't manage the MG, then use that every single USF player is crying about-the sniper, which USF has no counter for, enjoy the bleed and sustain map control.

Grens will never stand up to rifles, because they are not meant to.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 08:18 AMChet

Then remove the USF mortar. MG is instawiped due to its over-effectiveness.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 06:54 AMJackas4life

Personally I say keep the mortar but do what the competitive mod does, less range, less damage, but more accurate and higher rof compared to the other mortars.

It wasn't a model killer (unless they were already low) and it was great to deal with MGs (due to it being a mortar) and the fact that the higher rof actually allows mortar smoke to work even more effective.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 07:12 AMmedhood

How come USF cant have some other sort of early game counter to garrisons and MGs other than grenades all the time?

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 08:40 AMKatitof

That is stat balance issue.
Did we removed grens from the game during March Deployment patch in 2014, when you could suck at the game and still have 50+ winstreak due to grens a-moving everything? I still remember when during that time I gave an hour long game to Jesulin exclusively because super OP terminator grens carried me, not because I was such great player on Jesulins level.

To me the USF mortar SHOULD fire quickly OR be really accurate, set up and pack quicker then other mortars, but have only 60 range, so its used offensively only and keep the relevance of pack howi.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 06:58 AMOmega_Warrior

I think both are fine.

Mortar is something you get early in preparation for MG spam or garrison heavy maps. Nades are something you get later on to help your rifles keep mobility, but they really aren't a true counter to MGs since they can always reposition.

Once the nerfs for the mortar come through all these complaints will end. People are just frustrated from getting recked by an OP unit.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jun 2016, 13:30 PMIncendiaryRounds

You and GenObi = clearly USF fanboys. Just think about it 3-4 riflemen squads get smoke + plus the mortar. That's more than any other faction. What other mainline inf even gets that ridiculous ability. And don't complain about the tech cost of nades. It's still very cheap. I know what you're thinking. You want to get out that Stuart EVEN faster when it already comes out faster than the t70 and has more health and can kill light vehicles better. That's just greedy. Be happy that USF received a mortar. But a mortar with smoke? Oh please. How would you feel if Ostheer had puma in tier 2? Would you complain and whine that you can't bully Ostheer anymore with the stuart?