OKW armors cost should be reverted
23 Jun 2016, 05:08 AM
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Now that the T2 and T3 need more fuel,the OKW armors cost should be reverted to the normal level. Especially the OKW pz4.150 fuel is too much, compared to the T34/76 which costs only 80 fuel.Revert the cost to 135 fuel pls. And the panther should not cost 200 fuel. It's too much,now then everyone goes to JP4 you can hardly see the OKW Panther!
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23 Jun 2016, 05:11 AM
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If I remember right, OKW vechicles cost more because they have better stats, than their Ostheer analogs. So - if cost will be less, stats should also be less.
23 Jun 2016, 05:21 AM
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Now that the T2 and T3 need more fuel,the OKW armors cost should be reverted to the normal level. Especially the OKW pz4.150 fuel is too much, compared to the T34/76 which costs only 80 fuel.Revert the cost to 135 fuel pls. And the panther should not cost 200 fuel. It's too much,now then everyone goes to JP4 you can hardly see the OKW Panther!
OKW p4 is better than ost, therefore it costs more
OKW panther is better than ost, therefore it costs more
OKW p4 is significantly better than the t-34/76
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23 Jun 2016, 05:45 AM
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I don't mind Panther for 185F. 200 seems quite much...
Same for PZ4. 150? 140 would be fine.
Same for PZ4. 150? 140 would be fine.
23 Jun 2016, 05:48 AM
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I disagree, the reason the prices were increased in the first place is because okw's fuel penalty was removed.
Not only are okw's armour better than ost's in many cases but okw was designed to have more expensive armour. Their teching is more straight forward and the tanks have 5 levels of vet. You should be thankful jp4 is still only 135 fuel even if it got moved to a higher tier.
Not only are okw's armour better than ost's in many cases but okw was designed to have more expensive armour. Their teching is more straight forward and the tanks have 5 levels of vet. You should be thankful jp4 is still only 135 fuel even if it got moved to a higher tier.
23 Jun 2016, 05:50 AM
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Just waiting for someone to tell him to use Pumas more often lol
23 Jun 2016, 06:27 AM
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You realize they're actually cheaper than they used to be though? Adjusting for the fuel penalty, the Panzer IV was the equivalent of 202 Fuel, and the Panther was equivalent to 262 Fuel. 150 and 200 are much lower than the old prices with fuel penalty.
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23 Jun 2016, 06:31 AM
#8
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Just use Pumas more often
I myself bought 14 OKW factions during a Steam sale last year for alt accounts
23 Jun 2016, 07:30 AM
#9
Posts: 482
Just use Pumas more often
why?Is there some BUG on puma?
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23 Jun 2016, 07:41 AM
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I disagree, the reason the prices were increased in the first place is because okw's fuel penalty was removed.
Not only are okw's armour better than ost's in many cases but okw was designed to have more expensive armour. Their teching is more straight forward and the tanks have 5 levels of vet. You should be thankful jp4 is still only 135 fuel even if it got moved to a higher tier.
I prefer to tanks which have 3 vet levels. Tanks die before they gain the 4th and 5th vet level more often. I'll be glad to see relic removes the 5 vet levels from the OKW.
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23 Jun 2016, 07:44 AM
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Now that the T2 and T3 need more fuel,the OKW armors cost should be reverted to the normal level. Especially the OKW pz4.150 fuel is too much, compared to the T34/76 which costs only 80 fuel.Revert the cost to 135 fuel pls. And the panther should not cost 200 fuel. It's too much,now then everyone goes to JP4 you can hardly see the OKW Panther!
No, the increased fuel cost is for the following better stats:
1: having 2 more veterancy
2: Could start with armour skirts from the start (better stats in some way)
3: It was adjusted to the fuelcost it should be with the fuel/ammo penalty.
23 Jun 2016, 07:45 AM
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I prefer to tanks which have 3 vet levels. Tanks die before they gain the 4th and 5th vet level more often. I'll be glad to see relic removes the 5 vet levels from the OKW.
Then you're just reckless with your tanks, I've had so many tanks into the vet 4 and vet 5. The only tank I don't get to it that often is the KT and I only had 2x a vet 5 command panther. The rest of the tanks is easily obtainable to reach vet 5.
23 Jun 2016, 07:48 AM
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OKW p4 is better than ost, therefore it costs more
OKW panther is better than ost, therefore it costs more
OKW p4 is significantly better than the t-34/76
OKW p4 has the same stats with the ost one except the front armor. 235 vs 180.But 150 fuel still is too much for a medium tank.Especially when relic decrease the fuel cost of the Churchill.The churchill has 1400HP 290 front armor but only cost 160 fuel. 1400VS 640 HP!
The OKW panther has the very same stats with the ost one except small accurate.
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23 Jun 2016, 07:53 AM
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Then you're just reckless with your tanks, I've had so many tanks into the vet 4 and vet 5. The only tank I don't get to it that often is the KT and I only had 2x a vet 5 command panther. The rest of the tanks is easily obtainable to reach vet 5.
I also have had many tanks into vet 5.like JP4 and JT.I haven't had a vet 5 KT or commander panther.But the OKW always has to wait for long time to get a tank.Just because they are too much expensive.
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23 Jun 2016, 07:58 AM
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I also have had many tanks into vet 5.like JP4 and JT.I haven't had a vet 5 KT or commander panther.But the OKW always has to wait for long time to get a tank.Just because they are too much expensive.
They are supposed to be expensive for OKW. OKW was build around the idea of tanks being expensive, but scaling and performing much better then ost from the first iteration of penalties to the december changes, that won't change, unless you say bye bye to vet5 and improved stats for no reason as well.
And you still pump panther incomparably faster then ost can for no extra costs over regular T3 tech.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
23 Jun 2016, 07:59 AM
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I also have had many tanks into vet 5.like JP4 and JT.I haven't had a vet 5 KT or commander panther.But the OKW always has to wait for long time to get a tank.Just because they are too much expensive.
Perhaps they're expensive, but in my opinion the OKW tanks are the most durable of them all and can stay into the engagements a tad longer, which should mean more experience in the long run.
23 Jun 2016, 08:07 AM
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Just use puma more often.
23 Jun 2016, 08:26 AM
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Simply buil ATG and wait one minute, for enough fuel.
In large team games which you play, it is no problem.
In large team games which you play, it is no problem.
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
23 Jun 2016, 09:58 AM
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Please note that the comparison with Ostheer vehicles is a bit flawed as the Ostheer vehicles are lacking for cost.
OKW p4 is better than ost, therefore it costs more
OKW panther is better than ost, therefore it costs more
OKW p4 is significantly better than the t-34/76
The Ostheer 125 fuel Panzer IV loses to 110 fuel Cromwells.
The Ostheer Panther is regarded garbage by many except the Allied fan-train. It can´t engage cost efficiently.
The OKW vehicles can actually fulfill their role due to better stats. That doesn´t mean however that they are cost effective. They both come 25 fuel more expensive to fulfill a role that the vanilla Ostheer vehicles should fulfill but can´t. This means you are stuck with either performing vehicles for a too high cost or weak units for an average cost.
23 Jun 2016, 10:35 AM
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Please note that the comparison with Ostheer vehicles is a bit flawed as the Ostheer vehicles are lacking for cost.
The Ostheer 125 fuel Panzer IV loses to 110 fuel Cromwells.
And 135 fuel SU-85 loses to 90 fuel StuG.
230 fuel Pershing loses to 175/200 fuel panther.
AEC loses to a pair of 222, which cost over 50% less fuel and similar menpower.
Your point?
The Ostheer Panther is regarded garbage by many except the Allied fan-train. It can´t engage cost efficiently.
The sole problem with ost panther was how late and costly it was to get it.
Now, go ask Hans for example about the panther and hear the opinion form someone with a clue.
The OKW vehicles can actually fulfill their role due to better stats. That doesn´t mean however that they are cost effective. They both come 25 fuel more expensive to fulfill a role that the vanilla Ostheer vehicles should fulfill but can´t. This means you are stuck with either performing vehicles for a too high cost or weak units for an average cost.
You can't look at OKW med and heavy armor costs the same way as you can at other factions, OKW was supposed to have lesser armor presence in comparison to other armies, the extra 25 fuel on T4 and call-ins was to keep that goal as december revamp have proved that OKW without that pumps armor way too fast.
If you want to look at cost performance of OKW armor, then you need to take away that 25 fuel extra, because it DOES NOT contribute to cost effectiveness at all, but is a timing and numbers limiting factor EXCLUSIVELY. This is precisely why OKW armor wasn't buffed to ROFLSTOMP everything and anything after the price increase after dec revamp.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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