Volks /grens

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 17:47 PMZombiFrancis

The problem with Grens is that, in CoH1 terms, are just 4 man volks squads that can only be upgraded with the LMG that no one ever used. An army based on volks was not a good strategy in CoH1. (You at least needed medic necromancy to turn them into Grens. ) As such, armies based on Grens aren't that strong.

I mean, they're balanced with conscripts.

Panzergrenadiers would've taken the role of CoH1 grenadiers but they come with StGs already which makes them unreliable at range, which drops the burden back down on Grenadiers. It makes me wish the stats and upgrades of panzergrenadiers and stormtroopers were swapped, save for the camo. I'd gladly pay for StGs if I wasn't always forced to close distances with the squad. Once they got their vet and became a bit more durable I could THEN make them take on an assault role.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 17:47 PMZombiFrancis

Panzergrenadiers would've taken the role of CoH1 grenadiers but they come with StGs already which makes them unreliable at range, which drops the burden back down on Grenadiers.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 21:31 PMMr. Someguy

Panzergrenadiers actually have higher DPS than Grenadiers at range, though the LMG 42 gives the range advantage back to Grenadiers.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 21:33 PMKatitof

7,4 is greater then 9,4 how exactly?
Because that is DPS of PGs and grens with no upgrades.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 21:38 PMMr. Someguy

You'll have to forgive me, I'm going off year old information from memory. Have Grenadiers or Panzergrenadiers DPS changed since then?

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 21:47 PMVuther

I thought PGs were inferior at long-range since the March Deployment years back. Nonetheless, they definitely are now, which is the topic. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LOYMDi_XR7rILsk6HbAZqGihsk22t-45C_6NbQEP-m0/edit#gid=0

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 21:38 PMMr. Someguy

You'll have to forgive me, I'm going off year old information from memory. Have Grenadiers or Panzergrenadiers DPS changed since then?

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 18:16 PMTiger Baron

I already mentioned this, and it was 4x MP40s in CoH, since one of the models, presumably their NCO/Squad leader, had an StG 44.

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 22:49 PMAustralian Magic

But arent they inferior only at 30-35range?

Some time ago when I was checking, I could swear that LMG Grens were superior but only at the end of the range..

Jump back to quoted post23 Jun 2016, 22:06 PMMr. Someguy

Okay so technically Grenadiers have a higher DPS rating for 3 meters near max range, but Panzergrenadiers are still better the other 32 meters. I feel we're more or less arguing semantics when you say Grenadiers are better at range. It's not technically incorrect, but that 0.8 DPS difference at max range is negligible...

Jump back to quoted post24 Jun 2016, 01:53 AMZombiFrancis

Well, a lot of that has to do with them not dealing damage per second, but randomly hitting 80 health entities with bullets that deal 16 damage. (This is for grens, combat engies, and conscripts, not WFA soldiers or LMGs)

They have to hit an entity five times. This will likely take a while at range, but unless there's green cover, it's still just five hits on an entity.

A good/bad roll and those conscripts drop a model in one volley.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2016, 12:32 PMXutryn_X7

man,in late game when you have 4 volks over vet 3 and you fight in cover,medium range vs usf,with stg volks struggle so much,i find pre patch volks better than upgraded volks with stg.I think their stg don't receive volks bonus got from veterancy

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 02:13 AMstonebone000

I have no issue keeping my infantry alive as Wehrmacht, maybe it's an issue on your end. Try verifying the game cache?

Jump back to quoted post27 Jun 2016, 02:13 AMstonebone000

I have no issue keeping my infantry alive as Wehrmacht, maybe it's an issue on your end. Try verifying the game cache?