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Wait whose Panther are we talkin' in this thread anymore, I'm confused.
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Yea you should probably wait for someone else to carry you out of the hole you've dug for yourselfno dude this discussion was already done 3 month ago and we came to the conclusion to buff the moving accuracy of panther from 0.5 to 0.65 and yes there were video of panther beating comet in AI when there's no cover but when there's even yellow cover ( let's not talk about green cover) when panther killed second model the comet already wiped the squad ( because of over-shots and how cover works 160: 2 = 80 , mg damage don't do area damage x shoot and is like 4-6 damage in green cover )
I'm sure someone will ride to your rescue and fight for the all so desperately needed panther buffs :3
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no dude this discussion was already done 3 month ago and we came to the conclusion to buff the moving accuracy of panther from 0.5 to 0.65 and yes there were video of panther beating comet in AI when there's no cover but when there's even yellow cover ( let's not talk about green cover) when panther killed second model the comet already wiped the squad ( because of over-shots and how cover works 160: 2 = 80 , mg damage don't do area damage x shoot and is like 4-6 damage in green cover )
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the game is not a vacuum, the vid shows what happens to inf in the open. Of course behind green cover with the panther sitting there things will be different but lets be honest this will never happen.
Lategame you will catch a rifle squad sidecapping a VP, Panther (like the comet) does a pretty good job at killing these squads with the MG's similar to the comet.
no buffs needed, it's already cheaper with better vet.
Katitof-2018
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Aha it was already post by smith another video where unit are in cover guess who wiped the squad and guess who killed no one?
( now stop being bias and post the other video )
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unfortunately is in a old post and there's no search function in coh.org but I know it was mr. Smith who posted it , he still had the okw wagon as profile pic
can you post the video? it's not in this thread.
Katitof-2018
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this meme has been debunked for a while
Now in the humble words of James Vardy
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Moving accuracy to 0.6 for the Ostheer version just like its OKW counterpart since its a mobile TD.
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Aha it was already post by smith another video where unit are in cover guess who wiped the squad and guess who killed no one?
( now stop being bias and post the other video )
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I'm sure if you make a search on post history you'll find the video, but it's pretty worthless to do so. It's simple:
-accuracy based AI will lose if you apply 0.5 accuracy/dmg modifiers and veterancy.
-AoE based AI will win againts clumped troops (cover).
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I've never uploaded any videos to youtube/etc in my life ever D: It must have been something else.
Precisely.
The cons (in addition to everything Elchino posted):
- Vehicle-based MGs suffer from accuracy/burst penalties while moving (e.g., to chase). That's about -45% dps off when you are moving
- MG range = 35 (tank-gun range >= 40)
- (unless you are OKW, or the Universal Carrier) Vehicle-based MGs have a very steep drop-off like carbines and weapons like that; they are good at close range, not that good at long range
OST Panther DPS goes from ~33DPS at close range (up to 10) to ~10DPS at extreme-long range
OKW Panther DPS goes from ~28DPS at close range to ~15DPS at extreme-long range
(you almost never want to halt your panther at rifle-nade range)
The pros:
- If my DPS calculation is correct, the sum of all MGs on the Panther outdpses an entire vet3 grenadier squad (at their best range) when you drive it next to the enemy.
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Panther is maybe coutered by TD's because it's a tank you know....
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Katitof-2018
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what do you expect from a Panther then?
a damage soaker? get a Tiger
a TD? get a Stug
a anti-inf tank? get a Pz IV
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the tiger is doctrinal. The panther is tech tree unit.
the panther is only redundant because the Stug is already so awesome. Trying to buff the panther above the stug is just going to make the panther ridiculous.
Quinn already took notes 
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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You should get a Panther against Allies heavies*.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Replace vet 2 +160 hp and +10% armor with -30% reload, +20% accuracy, vet 3 - +30% penetration, + 10% range.
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