Jagdtiger Balance for 3v3+

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2016, 18:30 PMMr.Smith

I am not sure if you are running a mod, but I literally just launched the game, and the cost for the Jagtiger is:
720MP, 280FU, 21popcap for me.

The values you listed are a bit closer to what the unit cost should have been.



While that's true, we also have to accept the fact that certain units scale way better the more crowded a game-mode becomes:
- Extreme-long range units (basically the TDs)
- All artillery units in general
- Aura units

Now, there's a choice that we need to make:
1. Do we balance everything with 1v1 in mind, and then completely forget about teamgames
2. Do we balance units according to the strongest gamemode they can be featured?
3. Do we introduce different rules for each gamemode?

Most likely, #3 is never going to happen. Therefore, we have to choose between #1 and #2. I'd say that #2 is the best option, since it is our best bet to avoid having broken gamemodes (e.g., Arty Cover/CalliOP fun times). An unfortunate side-effect is that some of the well-scaling units will probably not remain as viable for smaller game-modes.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2016, 14:16 PMImagelessbean

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Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 03:41 AMMistah_S

Sorry OP, but I'm calling a l2p issue here.
I've lost 2 to the same tactic - one T34 rams, another flanks around me.
JT was so slow it couldnt turn, and no other AT support = gg.

Second time he flanked with 2 Jacksons - thanks to stunned crew, I couldnt even turn it.

Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 06:55 AMKatitof

Well, you're calling it on yourself now.
Why JT was not supported? Why there weren't any volks or puppchens around for the 2 minutes T34/76 needs to destroy it from behind?


Same deal.
Had you properly supported it on the most basic level, it'd be impossible to flank it.
Jacksons don't have RoF to keep JT stunned in any noticeable way.

So again, this is L2P issue, but on your part.
Not everyone going against JT can count on it being controlled by a noob who won't be able to support it and not respond to attack at all with the rest of his army.

Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 03:41 AMMistah_S

Sorry OP, but I'm calling a l2p issue here.
I've lost 2 to the same tactic - one T34 rams, another flanks around me.
JT was so slow it couldnt turn, and no other AT support = gg.

Second time he flanked with 2 Jacksons - thanks to stunned crew, I couldnt even turn it.

Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2016, 14:37 PMImagelessbean

Hmmm...I guess its been a while since I was told L2P, so this was bound to come up.

I don't know how you lost one to a T34 ram, which at best might (small chance) penetrate the front and get a damaged engine, which still leaves the JT to continue to fire.

If you cannot find AT support to deal with 2 T34s in a team game then you have lost already. By that point in the game you should have shreks on 3-4 volks squads, you probably have an AT gun, you may have 1 additional tank yourself (with vet), and any teammate should have anything from 1-4 tanks nearby. Since the enemy has to penetrate into your lines to kill the JT you can lay mines whenever you want, and since you will be floating munitions at this point you should have them everywhere.

I don't mean to sound rude, but before you call me out on L2P, please make sure the scenario you describe is one in which better play is the issue. I and by Mr. Smith's contributions, have laid out a solid argument for why the JT appears to be over performing in its current place.