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Awesome idea! For same reason, lets give obers shrecks, some people complain that obers are not used enough.
Pgrens could use some love too, I think we should take away LMG from grens and give it to them instead, nothing can go wrong with that!
You don't make unit useful, by butchering another unit.
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Maybe give penal troops demo charges instead of combat engineers. Would instantly give the Penals more value while at the same time making the game a lot less tedious for axis.
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Maybe give penal troops demo charges instead of combat engineers. Would instantly give the Penals more value while at the same time making the game a lot less tedious for axis.
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Na, I prefer satchel charges on the Penal because they are mobile enough to take out defense bunker emplacements and MGs in buildings.
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Go away from threads about units you have no slightest clue about.
A whole LOT of units had some design, in which they have failed miserably or overlaped with another squads and they were changed.
Penals are no exception here.
Again, STOP talking about factions and units you know noting about, don't you have some axis defending to do somewhere?
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Stop acting like this forum is yours and you can decide who can post and who can not...
From what you suggest you seem to have no clue how to use penals.
Increasing far DPS is pretty pointless because it either makes flamer upgrade useless or make the buff rather pointless.
A penal squad with a flamer upgrade fights better at range 20 and closer so a buff at range 35 will offer little to squad.
But on the other hand your knowledge of the game mechanics is so poor that you though that the changes in hand held flamers was a nerf...
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Pgrens could use some love too, I think we should take away LMG from grens and give it to them instead, nothing can go wrong with that!
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2 Schrecks, and lmg42, and an stg44?
Sign me up.
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Maybe give penal troops demo charges instead of combat engineers. Would instantly give the Penals more value while at the same time making the game a lot less tedious for axis.
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Correct me if im wrong (and I very well might be) an increase to the far dps would also effect the less extreme ranges (not nearly as much but still make the dps less steep) if thats the case would would it do to their optimal range? (how much would it increase at 20m) or am I way off base here?
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Penal don't need double far DPS. They are designed mid to close and since they are using flamers will move to range 20 to fight or will lose the DPS of member due to flamer. They do need to have different veterancy bonuses and abilities.
If they need mode DPs and as long as they have a flamer upgrade that should be at range 20 and not at range 35...
Or a completely different role...probably of cheap cannon fodder...
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LOYMDi_XR7rILsk6HbAZqGihsk22t-45C_6NbQEP-m0/edit#gid=0
for a 270 mp unit, their dps is abysmal. Their mid-long ranger dps is even worst than the conscript.
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Not sure what your point is. Conscripts are mid to far using bolt action rifles, penals are mid to close using carbine/flamers. (They probably out DPS conscripts if they have a flamer in ranges 20 and bellow)
As I said if they need a boost in DPS that should be to mid and not in far...
I think the biggest problem with a straight up damage buff is that it would make them like American rifles but with an extra man and Sprint... They almost need a cheese to be unique.
If they are buffed too much then we have another flamer rifles...
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penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp uses these numbers
Close accuracy 69% mid accuracy 46% far accuracy 28.80%
doubling far DPS as suggest by Katitof will have little affect in the range of 20...and the weapon it would actually be more accurate at far then it currently is at mid.
Current DPS (0,10,20,30):
penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp 5.997037037 3.94371897 1.725866342 1.014387985
Double accuracy Far:
penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp 5.997037037 3.94371897 1.972786117 1.660315394
so the difference in range 20 is 14%...
20 is the range the flamer kicks in Penal SVT get good closer, a Penal squad only SVTs, has more DPS the riflemen allot closer than 20...
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You can increase the dps by changing more than just accuracy, you know.
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BUT CAN YOU INCREASE THE ACCURACY BY CHANGING MORE THAT JUST THE DPS?
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