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24 Mar 2016, 20:24 PM
#21
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 20:18 PMKatitof


Awesome idea! For same reason, lets give obers shrecks, some people complain that obers are not used enough. :snfBarton:

Pgrens could use some love too, I think we should take away LMG from grens and give it to them instead, nothing can go wrong with that!

You don't make unit useful, by butchering another unit.


Idiotic comparison.

Combat engineers are already plenty useful even without demo charges. Currently the demo is just an undeserved bonus.
24 Mar 2016, 20:31 PM
#22
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Maybe give penal troops demo charges instead of combat engineers. Would instantly give the Penals more value while at the same time making the game a lot less tedious for axis.


Na, I prefer satchel charges on the Penal because they are mobile enough to take out defense bunker emplacements and MGs in buildings.
24 Mar 2016, 20:41 PM
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Maybe give penal troops demo charges instead of combat engineers. Would instantly give the Penals more value while at the same time making the game a lot less tedious for axis.


troll tier inbound. imagine using this in combination with Partizanis
24 Mar 2016, 21:19 PM
#24
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Na, I prefer satchel charges on the Penal because they are mobile enough to take out defense bunker emplacements and MGs in buildings.


They could have both, making them demolition specialist.

This would give them an unique role rather than 'conscripts, but slightly more expensive and slightly more dps'
24 Mar 2016, 22:49 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 18:21 PMKatitof

...
Go away from threads about units you have no slightest clue about.

A whole LOT of units had some design, in which they have failed miserably or overlaped with another squads and they were changed.

Penals are no exception here.
Again, STOP talking about factions and units you know noting about, don't you have some axis defending to do somewhere?


Stop acting like this forum is yours and you can decide who can post and who can not...

From what you suggest you seem to have no clue how to use penals.

Increasing far DPS is pretty pointless because it either makes flamer upgrade useless or make the buff rather pointless.

A penal squad with a flamer upgrade fights better at range 20 and closer so a buff at range 35 will offer little to squad.

But on the other hand your knowledge of the game mechanics is so poor that you though that the changes in hand held flamers was a nerf...
24 Mar 2016, 22:58 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 22:49 PMMyself


Stop acting like this forum is yours and you can decide who can post and who can not...

From what you suggest you seem to have no clue how to use penals.

Increasing far DPS is pretty pointless because it either makes flamer upgrade useless or make the buff rather pointless.

A penal squad with a flamer upgrade fights better at range 20 and closer so a buff at range 35 will offer little to squad.

But on the other hand your knowledge of the game mechanics is so poor that you though that the changes in hand held flamers was a nerf...

Correct me if im wrong (and I very well might be) an increase to the far dps would also effect the less extreme ranges (not nearly as much but still make the dps less steep) if thats the case would would it do to their optimal range? (how much would it increase at 20m) or am I way off base here?
24 Mar 2016, 23:09 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 20:18 PMKatitof

Pgrens could use some love too, I think we should take away LMG from grens and give it to them instead, nothing can go wrong with that!

2 Schrecks, and lmg42, and an stg44?

Sign me up.
24 Mar 2016, 23:13 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 23:09 PMTobis

2 Schrecks, and lmg42, and an stg44?

Sign me up.

THIS IS WHAT WEHRABOOS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
24 Mar 2016, 23:13 PM
#29
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Maybe give penal troops demo charges instead of combat engineers. Would instantly give the Penals more value while at the same time making the game a lot less tedious for axis.


sounds good to me

I always thought demos were too powerful to be stock on sov engies
24 Mar 2016, 23:30 PM
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Correct me if im wrong (and I very well might be) an increase to the far dps would also effect the less extreme ranges (not nearly as much but still make the dps less steep) if thats the case would would it do to their optimal range? (how much would it increase at 20m) or am I way off base here?


penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp uses these numbers

Close accuracy 69% mid accuracy 46% far accuracy 28.80%

doubling far DPS as suggest by Katitof will have little affect in the range of 20...and the weapon it would actually be more accurate at far then it currently is at mid.

Current DPS (0,10,20,30):

penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp 5.997037037 3.94371897 1.725866342 1.014387985

Double accuracy Far:

penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp 5.997037037 3.94371897 1.972786117 1.660315394

so the difference in range 20 is 14%...

20 is the range the flamer kicks in Penal SVT get good closer, a Penal squad only SVTs, has more DPS the riflemen allot closer than 20...
24 Mar 2016, 23:42 PM
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24 Mar 2016, 23:53 PM
#32
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 18:12 PMMyself
Penal don't need double far DPS. They are designed mid to close and since they are using flamers will move to range 20 to fight or will lose the DPS of member due to flamer. They do need to have different veterancy bonuses and abilities.

If they need mode DPs and as long as they have a flamer upgrade that should be at range 20 and not at range 35...

Or a completely different role...probably of cheap cannon fodder...


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LOYMDi_XR7rILsk6HbAZqGihsk22t-45C_6NbQEP-m0/edit#gid=0

for a 270 mp unit, their dps is abysmal. Their mid-long ranger dps is even worst than the conscript.

24 Mar 2016, 23:59 PM
#33
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has anybody just considered buffing their dps and that's it? I mean... That's their number one complaint, they're just not dealing enough damage.

Should be a high dps low durability unit. Go in, shoot around, throw a satchel and retreat.

24 Mar 2016, 23:59 PM
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LOYMDi_XR7rILsk6HbAZqGihsk22t-45C_6NbQEP-m0/edit#gid=0

for a 270 mp unit, their dps is abysmal. Their mid-long ranger dps is even worst than the conscript.



Not sure what your point is. Conscripts are mid to far using bolt action rifles, penals are mid to close using carbine/flamers. (They probably out DPS conscripts if they have a flamer in ranges 20 and bellow)

As I said if they need a boost in DPS that should be to mid and not in far...
25 Mar 2016, 00:33 AM
#35
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If they are buffed too much then we have another flamer rifles...

And katitof stop shitposting here, you dont even play the game and you got like 9k posts lol
25 Mar 2016, 00:47 AM
#36
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I think the biggest problem with a straight up damage buff is that it would make them like American rifles but with an extra man and Sprint... They almost need a cheese to be unique.

What about giving them ptrs package and letting guards put theirs away? Might make defending a sniper too easy then :/ long/ short range specialization? Idk its a tough nut...
25 Mar 2016, 00:49 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 23:59 PMMyself


Not sure what your point is. Conscripts are mid to far using bolt action rifles, penals are mid to close using carbine/flamers. (They probably out DPS conscripts if they have a flamer in ranges 20 and bellow)

As I said if they need a boost in DPS that should be to mid and not in far...


penal being a "mid-close" range unit is an artificial constraint.

penal's mid and close range dps are not even that good. the wehr pio have better close range dps than the penal.

the penal are just crap. their dps is neither good enough at close range nor is it good enough at long range.

I think the biggest problem with a straight up damage buff is that it would make them like American rifles but with an extra man and Sprint... They almost need a cheese to be unique.

jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2016, 00:33 AMl4hti
If they are buffed too much then we have another flamer rifles...


the american flame rifle was difficult to balance, because the flamethrower was an unique situation. It would not have made sense to nerf the rifleman in order to accommodate a DLC doctrine upgrade. The only sensible thing to do was to nerf the flamethrower itself in some way.

By comparison, the penal and flamethrower are irrevocably linked to each other. there's a lot more room to work here, because the penal would be balanced and designed around the fact it's got a flamethrower.
25 Mar 2016, 01:08 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 23:30 PMMyself


penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp uses these numbers

Close accuracy 69% mid accuracy 46% far accuracy 28.80%

doubling far DPS as suggest by Katitof will have little affect in the range of 20...and the weapon it would actually be more accurate at far then it currently is at mid.

Current DPS (0,10,20,30):

penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp 5.997037037 3.94371897 1.725866342 1.014387985

Double accuracy Far:

penal_troops_svt_rifle_mp 5.997037037 3.94371897 1.972786117 1.660315394

so the difference in range 20 is 14%...

20 is the range the flamer kicks in Penal SVT get good closer, a Penal squad only SVTs, has more DPS the riflemen allot closer than 20...


You can increase the dps by changing more than just accuracy, you know.
25 Mar 2016, 01:10 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2016, 01:08 AMTobis


You can increase the dps by changing more than just accuracy, you know.

BUT CAN YOU INCREASE THE ACCURACY BY CHANGING MORE THAT JUST THE DPS?

(No.)
25 Mar 2016, 01:23 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2016, 01:10 AMVuther

BUT CAN YOU INCREASE THE ACCURACY BY CHANGING MORE THAT JUST THE DPS?

(No.)

Received accuracy :snfBarton:
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